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           YEP. 
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REMEMBER? YEAH, 
          [1. CALL TO ORDER]
REMEMBER THAT. 
          GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. 
          IT'S 6 30 18 MARCH. 
          CALLING THE UNIVERSAL CITY CITY COUNCIL MEETING. 
          TO ORDER CALL FOR A QUORUM CHECK. 
          MAYOR TEMP PATRICK. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BOWMAN. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER GOLDEY. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER PUTT HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER RUBAL HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER VAUGHN. 
          HERE WE HAVE A WARRANT. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          UH, TONIGHT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER VAUGHN WILL BE LEADING US IN THE INVOCATION. 
          AND THEN, UH, PLEASE. 
          DEAR GOD, WE PRAY THAT WE HAVE THE WISDOM AND THE COURAGE TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES OF UNIVERSAL CITY. 
          AMEN. 
          AMEN. 
          THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL HONOR THE TEXAS PLAY. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. 
          SO YEAH, WE HAVE, UH, 
          [4. CITIZENS TO BE HEARD]
FIRST UP ON THE LIST IS CITIZENS TO BE HEARD. 
          THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS TO, UH, HAVE SIGNED UP TO, UH, DISCUSS AREAS OF INTEREST THAT BRINGS OUR ATTENTION. 
          ANYTHING THAT MAY BE OF INTEREST FOR FUTURE USE. 
          I HAVE TWO PEOPLE SIGNED UP TONIGHT FOR CITIZENS TO BE HEARD. 
          FIRST IS MR. UH, WHITING. 
          WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          IT'S GOOD TO BE A HABIT WITH YOU, SIR. 
          SIR. 
          WELL, THIS IS A GOOD, GOOD MEETING. 
          YES. 
          'CAUSE I, I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS ON RECORD TO THE COUNCIL THAT WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT IN HELPING US PREVENT, UM, THE, UM, UM, THE SCHOOL COMING OVER TO, UH, KITTY HAWK. 
          I'M NOT KITTY HAWK, I'M SORRY, CORONADO VILLAGE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. 
          UM, BUT, UH, I KNOW A COUPLE OF YOU WERE AT A MEETING TO THE JUDGE AND HONESTY BOARD. 
          YOUR WORDS WERE HEARD. 
          APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. 
          I KNOW, SIR, YOU WERE AT A MEETING, UM, IN JANUARY AND WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DID. 
          I WAS OUT ON VACATION THE WEEK YOU ACTUALLY MET AT CORNELL VILLAGE SCHOOL, BUT I UNDERSTAND SIX OUT OF SEVEN OF YOU WERE THERE SUPPORTING US. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS ON BEHALF OF THE COMMITTEE, WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, BAD PARTNER HERE, KATHY STRAIT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OTHER OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEMBERS ARE HERE, BUT WE WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND JUST ONE, ONE FINAL THING I WANT TO SAY, THE STATEMENT THAT WAS MADE BY THE SUPERINTENDENT ON THAT MONDAY WAS HE USED THE WORDS AT THIS TIME. 
          SO WE JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND OUR GROUP IS GOING TO STILL BE ACTIVE. 
          WE MAY COME FROM YOU AGAIN, BUT I, BUT I, HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE IN A POSITIVE WAY. 
          BUT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE WATCHING AND LISTENING AND ATTENDING THE JUSTIN BOARD MEETINGS. 
          BUT AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU MR. WHITE. 
          AND, UH, THE SPECIAL KUDOS TO MS. PARKER FOR ORGANIZING THE, UH, PEACEFUL PROTEST. 
          VERY WELL. 
          UH, NEXT IS MR. BILLY HILL. 
          IS YOUR MICROPHONE UP HERE? OVER THERE? JEFF WAZER. 
          YOU, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE RIGHT HERE? ALL YOU PEOPLE GET Y'ALL NEIGHBORS SO HOWDY NEIGHBORS, EVERYBODY, INCLUDING ON TV. 
          I TOO WANT TO COME AND COMPLIMENT Y'ALL AND THE SPECTATORS OF THE CITY. 
          'CAUSE I, YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I RAISED HELL WHEN I VOTED YOU ON TO SAY, THAT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. 
          DON'T BRING IT TO ME TO FIGURE IT OUT. 
          THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE. 
          SO I SEE PROGRESS IN THAT AND OLD MAN LIKE ME WHEN HE MOUNTS OF PROGRESS. 
          WELL, THAT, THAT'S A PLUS IN MY BOOKS. 
          AND AGAIN, ACCOLADES TO ALL OF Y'ALL ALONG WITH ALL OF UNIVERSAL CITIES, I'VE FINALLY GOTTEN INVOLVED AND TRY TO LEARN IT TO UPDATE THIS YEAR. 
          YOU KNOW, IT WAS LAST YEAR THAT I KIND OF THREW ALL THIS OUT. 
          UH, PROGRESS. 
          HOW DO WE CONTINUOUSLY IMPROVE WHEN AN OLD MAN LIKE ME IS SITTING UP IN THE BACKSEAT OF THE STANDS AND ABLE TO SEE SOME OF THE OLD OVERALL 30,000 FIT VIEW? UH, I'M GONNA USE AN ANALOGY. 
          NO TELEPROMPTERS NOTES OR NOTHING LIKE THAT, IMPROMPTU, SO FORGIVE ME OF HOW I VIEWED IN MY PERCEPTION AS WE'RE ALL SEEK FIRST TO UNDERSTAND AND COMPLIMENTS TO YOUR MEETING. 
          I, I SEE THAT HAPPENING FIELDS LAST SUNDAY. 
          NO, THAT'S GOOD. 
          AND YOUR PRAYER WAS TO LEAD US BY WISDOM 
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AND KNOWLEDGE AND DIRECTION. 
          SO IF I USE THE ANALOGY IN 2025 FOR THE COUNTRY AS WELL AS THE STATE AND UNIVERSAL CITY, I COMPARE TO A NFL FOOTBALL TEAM TO WHERE WE'VE GONE FROM THE, THE ROMAN COLISEUM TO WHERE THE WINNER WAS THE ONE THAT STOOD LIVING ALL THE WAY UP TO AN NFL STADIUM, A HUGE STADIUM. 
          AND WE GOT THIS TEAM AND WE GOT ALL OF THESE SPECTATORS, AND THEY'RE ALL YELLING AND WAVING. 
          BUT ALL WE DO JUST TAKE AWAY THE SORTS AND THE ONE THAT WINS GETS THE TROPHY AND THE PRIDE OF IT. 
          BUT IS IT GOOD FOR THE WHOLE? SO AS A TEAM IS BUILT OF MANAGERS OFFENSE, DEFENSE, SPECTATORS AND ALL THAT, I USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE OF UNIVERSAL CITY TO WHERE WE ARE A TEAM AND IT'S UNIVERSAL CITY, 20,000 SPECTATORS OR MORE. 
          OUR FIELD TO PLAY OUR STADIUM IS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF UNIVERSAL CITY. 
          WE HAVE AN OFFENSE AND A DEFENSE, BUT I STILL HEAR HENCE OF, UH, MINORITY MAJORITY OFFENSE, DEFENSE. 
          I'M GONNA TRY TO USE THE ANALOGY TO SAY, WE GOT OFFENSIVE DEFENSE ON THIS TEAM. 
          THIS IS OUR LOCKER ROOM. 
          YOU ALL CHANGE CLOTHES AND GO TO THE RESTROOM IN THIS ONE LOCKER ROOM. 
          AND WHEN YOU GO INTO EXECUTIVE DECISIONS, EXECUTIVE SESSION, THE OFFENSE AND THE DEFENSE IS TO JOIN TOGETHER. 
          AND A WHITE BOARD OF STRATEGY IS TO SHARE WAYS TO FIRST SEEK, FIRST TO UNDERSTAND COMPROMISE, AND COME UP, AS YOU SAID, PHIL, IN A PRAYER FOR WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE RESIDENTS. 
          AND YOU EVEN ADDED BOTH BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL CITIZENS. 
          OUR COMPETITION IS NOT EACH OTHER. 
          OUR COMPETITION, WHO WE'RE GOING UP AGAINST IN THE SUPER BOWL IS OTHER CITIES, LI OAK SHIRTS. 
          WE'RE LIMITED ACCESS TO INCOME. 
          WE DON'T BUY NEW UNIFORMS EVERY YEAR. 
          WE GOTTA WATCH OUT WHAT WE GOT. 
          AND THE OTHERS ARE BLESSED WITH MORE PROPERTY AND ALL. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA FIGHT WITH WHAT WE GOT WITH THE WHOLE TEAM, INCLUDING THE SPECTATORS. 
          AND WE MUST EDUCATE THEM TO WHERE WE CAN'T DO STREETS, GOLF COURSE, SENIOR CITIZENS, PARKS, FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND POLICE BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DOLLARS. 
          AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SATISFY EVERYBODY. 
          BUT HOPEFULLY, AGAIN, PUSHING THE ACCOUNTABILITY AND RESPONSIBLE ON Y'ALL. 
          AND YOU, YOU'RE GONNA COME UP LIKE WITH A FAMILY AND COME UP WITH THE BEST DECISION FOR THIS YEAR THAT'S GOING TO DO THE FAMILY THE BEST. 
          AND WE'LL BUY ANOTHER PAIR OF SHOES NEXT YEAR. 
          AND WE MIGHT EVEN GIVE SOME FROM THE PUMPKIN PATCH TO SHIRTS BECAUSE THEY NEED SHOES. 
          OUR, OUR, WE DON'T HAVE THESE FANCY CHEERLEADERS. 
          WE GOT A HUNDRED VOLUNTEERS THAT SACRIFICE THEIR TIME LIFE EFFORT FOR 20 YEARS. 
          SO WE CAN GO BUY A DOLLAR PUMPKIN AND MAYBE SELL IT FOR A DOLLAR 50 AND THEN GIVE THOSE PROCEEDS TO WHERE WE CAN'T AFFORD FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR THE POLICE OFFICER BECAUSE OUR BUDGET IS LIMITED TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES BEYOND OUR CONTROL. 
          THAT'S A TEAM. 
          RANDY, I HATE TO INTERRUPT. 
          NEED TO RANDY AND IT'S OVER WITH. 
          YEAH, . 
          BUT Y'ALL DON'T HAVE ENOUGH WINE IN HERE TO KEEP ME UP HERE. 
          SO  DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CAMERAS ARE, BUT I'M SPEAKING TO EVERYBODY IN THIS CITY. 
          WE'RE ALL SPECTATORS AND WE'RE ALL, WHEN YOU GO KNOCKING DOORS THIS YEAR, TELL 'EM HOW THEY CAN HELP. 
          DON'T TELL 'EM WHO TO VOTE FOR. 
          TELL 'EM HOW THE HELL THEY CAN HELP. 
          AND AS WE COMBINE TOGETHER, OUR TEAM WILL WIN. 
          THANK YOU, MR. HILL. 
          YOU'RE AN INSPIRATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS GONNA BE HEARD OVER. 
          THERE IS NO ONE ELSE TONIGHT. 
          UM, 
          [5. STAFF REPORTS AND OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS]
LET'S GO TO STAFF REPORTS. 
          UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          UH, AS YOU RECALL, DURING OUR BUDGET SEASON, UH, THE COUNCIL HAD REQUESTED THAT THE STAFF GO OUT AND DO AN RFP, UH, IN ORDER TO GET A OPERATIONAL PLAN AND CAPITAL ASSESSMENT FOR THE OLYMPIC HILLS GOLF COURSE. 
          UH, YOU BUDGETED FOR THAT. 
          WE HAD, UH, MS. FITZPATRICK AND, UH, MR. VAUGHN WITH SOME OF THE STAFF MEMBERS GO THROUGH THOSE PROPOSALS AND HE SELECTED, WE RECOMMENDED NATIONAL GOLF FOUNDATION AND COUNCIL APPROVED THEM. 
          SO RICHARD SINGER IS HERE THIS EVENING. 
          UH, HE IS THE REPRESENT REPRESENTATIVE FROM NATIONAL GOLF FOUNDATION. 
          UM, HE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE ABOUT HIS COMPANY, AND THEN I KNOW THERE WAS A VERY LONG REPORT THAT THERE WAS LOTS OF WAILING AND GNASHING OF TEETH ON BECAUSE SOMETIMES, UH, IT APPEARS LIKE IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION. 
          HE'S GONNA PUT THAT DOWN IN SOME LITTLE GOLDEN 
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NUGGETS FOR YOU AND HOPEFULLY, UM, AFTER THAT, HE'LL HAVE SOME TIME TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT COUNSEL MIGHT HAVE. 
          SO WITH THAT, WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO RICHARD AND MARIBEL'S GONNA PULL UP YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          I CAN DO YOUR SLIDES IF YOU WANT, OR YOU CAN JUST SAY, I'LL DO. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU BET. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          GOOD EVENING TO YOU ALL. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GLAD TO BE HERE. 
          UM, I KNOW I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH A LOT OF YOU OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, UH, BUT I THINK MANY OF THE, UH, FOLKS IN UNIVERSAL CITY ARE, ARE SEEING ME FOR THE FIRST TIME. 
          BUT, UM, I CAN TELL YOU, UM, YOU ALL HAVE BEEN A BIG PART OF MY LIFE FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. 
           NO, YOU DIDN'T REALLY KNOW IT. 
          AND, UM, IT'S BEEN GOOD. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, WHEN YOU SPEND YOUR LIFE AS I DO, RICHARD SINGER, DIRECTOR OF CONSULTING FOR NATIONAL GOLF FOUNDATION, I, I FIND MYSELF NOWADAYS, UH, IF I HAD TO, YOU KNOW, TITLE MYSELF, I'VE, I'VE BECOME A MUNICIPAL GOLF CONSULTANT. 
          AND WHEN YOU SPEND YOUR LIFE AS A MUNICIPAL GOLF CONSULTANT, A LOT OF WHAT YOU DEAL WITH IS DOOM AND GLOOM. 
          THESE MUNICIPALITIES, THEY'RE, IT, THEY REACH THAT POINT WHERE THEY HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO FIND A CONSULTANT TO HELP THEM OUT. 
          AND MOST OF THE PROJECTS I WORK ON, UH, IT'S DOOM AND GLOOM, AND IT'S, THIS HAS BEEN A REALLY REFRESHING JOB FOR ME BECAUSE THIS IS NOWHERE CLOSE TO DOOM AND GLOOM HERE IN UNIVERSAL CITY. 
          AND WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH AT, AT OLYMPIA HILLS, THIS IS CERTAINLY ONE OF THE BETTER PROPERTIES, ONE OF THE BETTER MUNICIPAL GOLF PROPERTIES THAT I HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. 
          AND IT'S, IT WAS REFRESHING FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND SAY THAT TO YOU. 
          UM, THE NATIONAL GOLF FOUNDATION IS BASICALLY A RESEARCH AND CONSULTING ORGANIZATION FOR THE GOLF INDUSTRY. 
          THAT'S WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE DO. 
          CUSTOM RESEARCH AND CONSULTING, WE'RE TOTALLY INDEPENDENT. 
          UM, WE DON'T MANAGE GOLF COURSES. 
          WE DON'T BUILD THEM. 
          WE DON'T DESIGN THEM. 
          WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, UH, ANY, ANY OTHER BUSINESS, ANY OTHER SIDE BUSINESS. 
          WE'RE STRICTLY A FEE FOR SERVICE CONSULTANCY. 
          AND WE LEAD IN MUNICIPAL GOLF. 
          AS I SAID, MYSELF AND MY PARTNER, ED GAAL, WHO COULD NOT BE HERE, UH, TONIGHT, WE HAVE COMBINED, UH, 57 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN, IN DOING THIS. 
          AND IT'S KIND OF A WELCOME TO MY WORLD. 
          UM, I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW OLYMPIA HILLS AND UNIVERSAL CITY, THAT'S YOUR PROPERTY AND THAT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          BUT MY LIFE IS GOING ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY AND LOOKING AT ALL THESE DIFFERENT MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSES. 
          SO HOPEFULLY I CAN BRING SOME OF THAT EXPERIENCE TO YOU. 
          UM, IN THIS REVIEW, UM, YOU, YOU BROUGHT US IN TO KIND OF PROVIDE A STRATEGIC REVIEW OF THE FACILITY. 
          UM, YOU REACHED KIND OF A KEY POINT IN YOUR HISTORY WITH, UH, OLYMPIA HILLS IN THAT THE, UM, ORIGINAL DEBT THAT YOU USED TO FINANCE THE GOLF COURSE WHEN YOU BUILT IT, HAS BEEN PAID OFF. 
          AND, UH, IT GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF PRESS THE RESET BUTTON ON THE WHOLE PROPERTY AND FIGURE OUT WHERE ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE GONNA BE, WHAT ARE WE GONNA BE FOR THE NEXT 25 YEARS? UH, LET'S REVIEW THE PHYSICAL CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY. 
          LET'S ANALYZE THE MARKET THAT YOU OPERATE IN, UH, GIVE YOU SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SUCCESS. 
          AND SOME NEW FUNDING MAY BE AVAILABLE NOW THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT, THEN THERE COULD BE SOME THINGS YOU COULD DO TO IMPROVE AND MODERNIZE AND, UH, ENHANCE THE PROPERTY. 
          A QUICK SUMMARY OF OUR FINDINGS, UH, FOR OLYMPIA HILLS. 
          I MEAN, IT'S CERTAINLY A VERY POPULAR GOLF FACILITY AND INCLUDES ALL OF THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH SUCCESS IN PUBLIC GOLF. 
          THE GOOD QUALITY GOLF COURSE, THE GOOD QUALITY CLUBHOUSE CONDITIONS ARE GOOD, SERVICE IS GOOD, FEES ARE APPROPRIATE. 
          IT ALL ADDS UP TO SUCCESS TYPICALLY IN IN PUBLIC GOLF. 
          THE LOCATION RIGHT ALONG I 35, ALTHOUGH I DUNNO HOW YOU GUYS PUT UP WITH ALL THAT CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING ON, UM, AND THE TRAFFIC, BUT YOU'RE STILL RIGHT THERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, HAVE A GOOD DEDICATED STAFF, UM, THAT REALLY CARE ABOUT THE PROPERTY AND ARE, ARE, ARE TOTALLY VESTED IN IT. 
          UM, WE HAD SOME IDEAS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ENHANCING THE STAFF A LITTLE BIT AND PROVIDING A HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE TO YOUR PATRONS, WHICH WE HAD DOCUMENTED IN THE WRITTEN REPORT THAT WE HAVE DELIVERED TO YOU. 
          UM, AND I THINK THE MULTIFACETED ASPECT OF IT, THE GOLF COURSE AND THE EVENT CENTER TOGETHER, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY VERY COMPLIMENTARY TO EACH OTHER AND WORK WELL TOGETHER. 
          UM, BUT MAYBE SOME CHANGES, SOME IMPROVEMENTS ARE, ARE ON THE AGENDA THERE THAT WE HAD IDENTIFIED FOR YOU. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PRICED RIGHT, UH, FOR WHERE YOU ARE IN THE MARKET. 
          AND, UM, I LIKE THE DRIVING RANGE AND PRACTICE AMENITIES. 
          I'M A BIG BELIEVER IN THAT, UM, PROVIDING PEOPLE A PLACE TO PRACTICE GOLF, WHICH IS NOT THAT EASY TO DO IF YOU DON'T HAVE FACILITIES FOR IT. 
          AND, UM, YOU GUYS DO. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT'S A REALLY GREAT, A GREAT FEATURE THAT YOU HAVE AT OLYMPIA HILLS. 
          UM, I THINK THE PROPERTY IS MOSTLY IN GOOD CONDITION, UM, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO ADDRESS. 
          AND IT LOOKED TO US, AND, UH, THERE WAS A THIRD MEMBER OF OUR TEAM WAS A GENTLEMAN, NATHAN CRA, WHO IS A GOLF COURSE ARCHITECT AND A SPECIALIST IN REVIEWING GOLF FACILITIES. 
          AND WE HAD OBSERVED SOME THINGS RELATED TO WHAT WE THOUGHT MIGHT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION, SOME SHORTCUTS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN TAKEN WHEN THIS PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT. 
          AND 25 YEARS LATER, SOME OF THOSE SHORTCUTS ARE COMING BACK 
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TO BITE YOU A LITTLE BIT. 
          AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED A FEW OF THOSE THINGS AND WE THINK THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME THINGS RELATED TO THAT, UM, THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME NEW INVESTMENT. 
          UH, I ALSO THINK THAT THE GOLF COURSE IS MORE DIFFICULT TO PLAY THAN STANDARD, DIFFICULT FOR THE GOLFER TO GET AROUND AND PLAY. 
          IT'S NARROW, BIG BUNKERS, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN SOMETIMES SLOW PLAY AND MAKE IT HARDER FOR THE AVERAGE PLAYER TO PLAY. 
          WE HAD RECOMMENDED SOME THINGS YOU COULD DO TO SOFTEN THE GOLF COURSE, ADD A NEW SET OF FORWARD TEES, MAKE THE BUNKERS SMALLER, TRY TO WIDEN UP THE HOLES WHERE YOU CAN, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THE COST OF ALL OF THAT WITH SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, WE ESTIMATED, YOU KNOW, ANYWHERE BETWEEN THREE AND A THIRD TO MAYBE A LITTLE MORE THAN $4 MILLION, UH, IN TOTAL COST TO DO ALL OF THAT. 
          I WOULD CAUTION YOU THAT THERE IS RAPID INFLATION IN THESE TYPES OF COSTS, AND BY THE TIME THIS WENT TO PRINT, IT'S PROBABLY ALREADY OUT OF DATE WITH SOME OF THESE COSTS. 
          UH, AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME, SOME STAFF, UH, 12 FULL-TIME, 32 PART-TIME STAFF, UM, PART-TIME STAFF CAN SOMETIMES BE DIFFICULT TO FILL. 
          I'M SURE AS YOU, AS YOU ALL ARE, ARE ARE AWARE. 
          UM, THE FACILITY IS GENERATING A LOT OF REVENUE. 
          UM, THE STANDARD PUBLIC GOLF COURSE IN AMERICA GENERATES ABOUT $1.5 MILLION IN REVENUE A YEAR. 
          UM, OLYMPIA HILLS DID 2.6 MILLION LAST YEAR, AND THAT WAS A DOWN YEAR FOR THEM. 
          THEY HAD A GREENS RENOVATION ONGOING IN 2024. 
          THEY WERE PLAYING ON TEMPORARY GREENS AND THEY WERE DEEPLY DISCOUNTING IN ORDER TO DRIVE ACTIVITY. 
          BUT IN 2023 WAS A BETTER YEAR, THEY DID 2.9 MILLION, WHICH IS ALMOST TWICE WHAT THE AVERAGE GOLF COURSE IN THE COUNTRY IS DOING. 
          UM, AND IT SHOWED AN OPERATIONAL PROFIT FROM 21 TO 23. 
          UH, THE OPERATIONAL PROFIT ON SITE WAS BETWEEN 143,200 $98,000 IN THOSE, IN THOSE THREE YEARS. 
          SO THE PROPERTY IS EARNING ENOUGH TO COVER ITS DAY-TO-DAY ONSITE OPERATIONAL EXPENSES, BUT IT'S REQUIRING ADDITIONAL ECONOMIC SUPPORT TO COVER SOME OUTSIDE ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE GOLF COURSE BUDGET. 
          THINGS LIKE DEPRECIATION, ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES, AND THERE'S A LARGE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT LINE ITEM IN THE GOLF COURSE BUDGET. 
          UM, AND THAT OUTSIDE SUPPORT COMES FROM WHAT YOU HAVE THIS VENUE TAX THAT YOU CREATED HERE IN UNIVERSAL CITY THAT, AS I UNDERSTAND IT WAS CREATED SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS PROPERTY IN ORDER TO, UH, FUND IT. 
          AND, UM, RECENT YEARS, BECAUSE OF THE SUCCESS OF THE PROPERTY, THE VENUE TAXES NEEDED TO COVER SOME OF THESE OTHER ITEMS I MENTIONED, LIKE DEPRECIATION, ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, BUT THERE'S STILL A LARGE REMAINDER AFTER THAT OF THE VENUE TAX THAT COULD BE USED FOR OTHER APPROVED PURPOSES WITHIN THE CITY, I ASSUME. 
          UM, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH AND JUST SHOW YOU A COUPLE PICTURES AND COMMENT ON A FEW THINGS THAT I THOUGHT I WANTED TO POINT OUT TO YOU. 
          UM, ONE, I THINK THE ENTRANCE PROFILE AND THE ENTRANCE PRESENTATION OF OLYMPIA HILLS COULD BE IMPROVED. 
          IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT CLEAR. 
          UM, THIS ALSO AS SOMEBODY FOR ME IN ALL THE YEARS, I HAVE AN EXPERIENCE WITH GOLF. 
          THIS LOOKS LIKE A PRIVATE CLUB TO ME FROM THE OUTSIDE, I THINK YOU WANNA MAKE IT MORE WELCOMING AND MORE CLEAR THAT THIS IS OPEN AND AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, THAT IT'S OWNED BY UNIVERSAL CITY. 
          IT'S A PUBLIC GOLF COURSE, AND IT'S OPEN AND AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, THE DROP AREA THAT WE, AS WE CALL IT FOR, FOR CART STAGING AND BAG DROP AND ALL OF THAT. 
          AND THE OTHER PICTURE, I THINK COULD BE IMPROVED AT MORE WELCOMING SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE PULL IN, THEY KNOW WHERE TO GO, THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO. 
          UM, THE TEES, I THINK THAT WE HAD IDENTIFIED SOME AREAS THERE. 
          UM, I THINK THE TEE AREAS COULD BE ENLARGED TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM TO BE MAINTAINED. 
          AND ALSO, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, A NEW FORWARD TEE THAT WOULD MAKE THE GOLF COURSE SHORTER FOR LESS SKILLED PLAYERS AND A LITTLE EASIER. 
          UM, IT'S PRETTY NARROW. 
          THIS IS A NARROW GOLF COURSE. 
          THIS IS, I MEAN, THE PGA TORT PROS WOULD STRUGGLE WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          THIS IS REALLY DIFFICULT FOR GOLFERS. 
          AND ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO KIND OF HELP WIDEN THAT OUT, UH, MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER, I THINK YOU'LL FIND THAT IT, IT'LL ADD APPEAL TO THE PROPERTY AND MORE REVENUE WILL COME IN BIG, HUGE, STEEP BUNKERS. 
          NOT ONLY IS THIS A CHALLENGE FOR THE GOLFERS WHO PLAY THE GOLF COURSE, THIS IS A CHALLENGE FOR THE MAINTENANCE STAFF TO KEEP UP WITH THIS AND KEEP THIS, UH, MAINTAINED PROPERLY. 
          UH, WE HAD RECOMMENDED THAT, UH, WORKING WITH A GOLF COURSE ARCHITECT, YOU WORK TO REDUCE THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF BUNKERS ON THE GOLF COURSE. 
          UM, I THINK THAT WILL HELP ON BOTH ENDS IN TERMS OF SOFTENING THE GOLF COURSE FOR PLAYERS AND MAKING IT EASIER TO MAINTAIN, UM, SOME CART PATH CRACKING THAT WE OBSERVED. 
          THIS IS NOT WIDESPREAD, BUT THERE ARE SOME PLACES LIKE THIS. 
          AND INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, I NOTICED EVEN JUST THIS AFTERNOON THAT YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THIS FROM THE HOTEL. 
          SO I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT YOU'D WANT TO TRY TO, TO TRY TO FIX A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, THIS IS ONE OF, I THINK THE, UM, ISSUES THAT WE, UH, IDENTIFIED EARLIER I MENTIONED ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THE SHORTCUTS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN TAKEN IN THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION, AND THAT IS KIND OF A CENTER LINE IRRIGATION, WHICH ONLY REACHES SO FAR. 
          AND WHEN YOU GET TO THE EDGES OF THE GOLF COURSE, IT'S THE IRRIGATION'S NOT REALLY REACHING IT. 
          AND YOU SEE IT IN A LOT OF, IN A LOT OF PLACES LIKE THIS, UM, WHERE THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED TO COVER THESE AREAS. 
          THIS IS LARGELY A RESULT OF IRRIGATION, UH, DEFICIENCIES 
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THAT SOME OF THESE CONDITIONS THAT WE SAW, UM, THE CLUBHOUSE IMPROVEMENTS, I MEAN, OUTDOOR SPACES AT GOLF CLUBHOUSES HAD BECOME VERY POPULAR IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. 
          IT REALLY HIT WHEN COVID HIT AND A LOT OF THE CLUBHOUSES HAD TO CLOSE DOWN, SO PEOPLE STARTED SITTING OUTSIDE AND THEY GOT USED TO IT AND LIKED IT, AND THEY, UH, GAVE THAT FEEDBACK THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY LIKE. 
          AND I THINK THAT YOU'VE GOT SOME GREAT, POTENTIALLY GREAT OUTDOOR SPACES, BUT IT NEEDS SOME IMPROVEMENT. 
          AND WE HAD RECOMMENDED SOME COVERING, MAYBE UPSTAIRS FIXING THE DOWNSTAIRS AREA WHERE YOU HAVE A PASS THROUGH WINDOW THAT FOR SERVICE FOR GOLFERS, I THINK THAT COULD ALL BE DONE, YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY WELL. 
          UH, THAT'S A SMALL KITCHEN FOR WHAT YOU'RE RUNNING THROUGH AT OLYMPIA HILLS. 
          I MEAN, ALL THOSE ROUNDS OF GOLF AND THE BANQUET CENTER, I AM NOT SURE THAT YOU CAN REALLY EXPAND IT. 
          I THINK THAT MIGHT BE COST PROHIBITIVE TO REALLY MAKE IT LARGER, BUT I THINK YOU COULD FIND THAT YOU COULD MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF WHAT YOU HAVE. 
          AND LASTLY, I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY, YOU KNOW, COULD BE MADE MORE COMFORTABLE. 
          I'VE A STRONG BELIEVER IN COMFORTABLE SPACES MAKING IT EASIER TO HIRE PEOPLE THAT IF THIS IS YOUR WORK ENVIRONMENT, IT MAY BE HARD TO FIND PEOPLE WHO WANNA WORK IF THAT'S YOUR WORK ENVIRONMENT. 
          SO IT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND. 
          AND THAT'S KIND OF KIND OF A NUTSHELL OF SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAD MADE, SOME OF THE CAPITAL RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAD MADE THAT WE THINK THIS PROPERTY WOULD REALLY BENEFIT FROM. 
          AS YOU START THINKING ABOUT THE NEXT 25 YEARS AND WHAT YOU WANNA OFFER THE COMMUNITY, UM, SOME OTHER OBSERVATIONS I'LL SHARE WITH YOU. 
          UM, I MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE COST. 
          I THINK IT'S $300,000 IS IN THE, IS IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT. 
          UM, I DON'T, NOT SURE THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD FIND IF YOU WENT ON THE OPEN MARKET TO FIND SOME OF THESE ACCOUNTING AND MANAGEMENT SERVICES, SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. 
          UM, UH, WE ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDED SOME IMPROVEMENT IN, UH, THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE GOLF FACILITY AND THE TOWN PLACE SUITES HOTEL, THE HOTEL THAT YOU'VE ADDED THERE JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. 
          I THINK A BETTER RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO WOULD HELP BOTH PARTIES. 
          THE HOTEL CAN REALLY HELP THE GOLF COURSE AND THE GOLF COURSE CAN REALLY HELP THE HOTEL. 
          UH, I JUST FOUND OUT TODAY WHEN I WAS THERE THIS AFTERNOON THAT YOU, I WAS SHOWN SOME NEW SETS OF GOLF CLUBS, UM, THAT THEY ACQUIRED, YOU KNOW, FOR THE HOTEL TO USE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, TO REALLY TRY TO CREATE A BETTER SYNERGY BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE GREAT. 
          UM, YOU'VE GOT SOME GOOD TECHNOLOGY IN PLACE, BUT YOU KNOW, MARKETING GOLF COURSES IN 2025 IS ALL ABOUT TECHNOLOGY. 
          IT'S ENTIRELY ABOUT TECHNOLOGY. 
          UM, IDEAS ABOUT YOUR WEBSITE, SMARTPHONE APPS, GPS, POINT OF SALE SYSTEMS, ALL OF THAT, MAKING IT EASY AND CONVENIENT FOR GOLFERS TO FIND YOU AND BE ABLE TO SPEND MONEY WHEN THEY'RE THERE. 
          ALL OF THAT IS, IS IS VERY IMPORTANT. 
          UM, ONE OF THE MEASURES THAT, IN MY REPORT THAT I GAVE YOU IS SOMETHING THAT I USE IN A METRIC. 
          IT'S CALLED, UH, AVERAGE REALIZED GOLF REVENUE PER ROUND. 
          THAT'S THE A-R-G-R-P-R. 
          AND UM, THAT'S BASICALLY THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF GOLF FEES YOU COLLECT DIVIDED BY THE NUMBER OF ROUNDS YOU PLAYED. 
          AND THE NUMBER FOR OLYMPIA HILLS WAS A LITTLE BIT LOW, UH, IN 2024, WHICH WOULD INDICATE THERE WAS SOME DISCOUNTING GOING ON, BUT 2024, YOU HAD A GREENS RENOVATION GOING ON. 
          THEY WERE DISCOUNTING IN ORDER TO ATTRACT THAT VOLUME. 
          IT'S A METRIC I RECOMMEND YOU, YOU, YOU LOOK AT, YOU START, YOU KEEP THINKING ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, HOW MUCH ARE YOU REALLY HAVING TO DISCOUNT FROM YOUR STATED GREEN FEES, YOUR RACK GREEN FEES THAT ARE POSTED? UM, HOW MUCH ARE YOU HAVING TO DISCOUNT IN ORDER TO ATTRACT THE VOLUME OF PLAY THAT YOU WANT? AND THE MORE YOU HAVE TO DISCOUNT IT, UM, IT BECOMES MORE PROBLEMATIC. 
          UM, THIS IS A REALLY OUTSTANDING PROPERTY FOR FOOD AND BEVERAGE SERVICE. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S GOT, IT'S, GOT IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          YOU GOT THE, THE BI, THE HILLSIDE BISTRO, THE BANQUET CENTER, THE ONCOURSE WITH THE BEVERAGE CART. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE THE PASS THROUGH WINDOW THAT YOU HAVE DOWNSTAIRS OPENED AND MAKE IT IT EASY AND CONVENIENT FOR GOLFERS. 
          ALL OF THAT. 
          THIS IS VERY, VERY HIGH QUALITY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, FOR A FOOD AND BEVERAGE OPERATION FOR A PUBLIC GOLF COURSE. 
          UM, I KNOW THIS IS KIND OF SMALL, BUT THE DETAILS ARE IN THE REPORT. 
          THIS IS THE INFORMATION THAT, THAT YOU GAVE ME TO RUN THROUGH MY MODELING IN FINANCIALS. 
          I WANNA REMIND THE, THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY THAT I'M NOT AN AUDITOR. 
          YOU DIDN'T HIRE US TO DO AN AUDIT OF YOUR FINANCIALS. 
          SO WE RELIED ON THE INFORMATION YOU PROVIDED US IN MANY CASES, AUDITED FINANCIALS THAT YOU HAD GIVEN US, AND WE REARRANGED IT A LITTLE BIT TO PRESENT IT SO THAT I CAN USE IT TO COMPARE TO OTHER GOLF COURSES. 
          THAT WAS THE KEY REASON FOR MAYBE REARRANGING SOME OF THE ORDER THAT THIS WAS PRESENTED IN. 
          UM, THAT WAY I CAN COMPARE YOU TO THE STANDARDS, THE INDUSTRY STANDARDS FOR REVENUES FOR EXPENSES. 
          UM, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON BELOW THE LINE HERE. 
          UM, THE, THE TRANSFER IN THE VENUE, TAX INTEREST INCOME, YOU GOT A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY COMING IN FOR A BILLBOARD THAT YOU HAVE ON PROPERTY THERE. 
          AND THEN THE THINGS WE MENTIONED EARLIER, DEPRECIATION, THE DEBT, UH, STORM WATER, ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES AND, UH, AND ONGOING CAPITAL EXPENSES. 
          BUT IN ALL, YOU CAN SEE, I MEAN, PRIOR TO 2024, THIS WAS OPERATING IN THE BLACK. 
          BUT IT CERTAINLY TOOK A HARD TURN INTO THE RED IN 2024 WHILE YOUR GREENS RENOVATION WAS GOING ON. 
          BUT I WOULD SAY THAT YOU WERE KIND OF 
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TAKING A STEP BACK TO BUILD FOR A BETTER FUTURE. 
          AND FROM EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR IN FY 2025, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, IT'S GOING MUCH STRONGER, UH, THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR. 
          AND I, AND I SUSPECT YOU'LL BE RIGHT BACK WHERE YOU WERE IN 2023. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS YOU ALSO HAD ASKED US TO LOOK AT WERE SOME EXTERNAL FACTORS, THINGS THAT YOU MAYBE CAN'T CONTROL, MARKET ANALYSIS AND WHAT'S GOING ON OUTSIDE YOUR GATES. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, AND I WOULD SAY THAT OUR RESEARCH, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S ONGOING AT NATIONAL GOLF FOUNDATION, WE'RE DOING THIS ON A REGULAR BASIS. 
          WE'RE STUDYING THIS. 
          GOLF IS UP IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS. 
          UM, IT HAS STRENGTHENED GREATLY. 
          UH, THE NUMBER OF ROUNDS PLAYED AT AMERICAN GOLF COURSES IS UP 20% SINCE 2020 IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. 
          AND IT'S UP 18% IN TEXAS IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. 
          SO THERE IS A LOT MORE GOLF BEING PLAYED AND A LOT MORE GOLF ACTIVITY GOING ON. 
          AND THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF YOUR CITY, UH, UNIVERSAL, UNIVERSAL CITY, IT'S THE, THE NUMBERS WE RAN, I MEAN, IT LOOKED LIKE A LITTLE LOWER THAN AVERAGE IN TERMS OF THE, UM, GOLF PARTICIPATION NUMBERS THAT WE SAW FOR UNIVERSAL CITY RESIDENTS. 
          UH, BUT YOU'RE PART OF A LARGE METRO REGION IN SAN ANTONIO, AND THE BALANCE IS IN YOUR FAVOR. 
          UM, THE, THE BA THE RATIO OF GOLFERS TO GOLF COURSES IS VERY FAVORABLE FOR THE GOLF COURSES IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          A LOT OF THE OTHER MARKETS I WORK WITH, ONE OF THE REAL CORE PROBLEMS THAT THEY DEAL WITH IS THEY'RE OVERSATURATED WITH GOLF COURSES. 
          THAT'S CLEARLY NOT THE CASE IN SAN ANTONIO AS WE DOCUMENT IT IN OUR REPORT. 
          UM, AND YOU'RE KIND OF IN THE SWEET SPOT IN THE MIDDLE. 
          YOU'VE GOT COMPETITION THAT'S CHARGING MORE THAN YOU. 
          YOU'VE GOT SOME COMPETITION THAT'S CHARGING LESS THAN YOU, AND YOU'RE KIND OF RIGHT IN THAT MIDDLE SWEET SPOT PROVIDING A GOOD QUALITY PRODUCT AT AN AFFORDABLE RATE. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE YOU WANT TO BE, UH, IN PUBLIC GOLF. 
          SO IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD SPACE. 
          UM, I KNOW WE ALL ARE CONCERNED ABOUT BIG BROTHER AND THE WAY THEY SPY ON US, BUT UH, UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE ALL CARRYING THESE LITTLE DEVICES IN OUR POCKETS AND SOMEBODY IS TRACKING YOU AND WE, UH, WE SUBSCRIBE TO SERVICES THAT THAT SHOW THAT TRACKING IT DOESN'T, DOESN'T DO ANYTHING INDIVIDUALLY. 
          IT'S JUST AS AN AGGREGATE. 
          HERE'S THE AGGREGATE OF WHAT'S COMING ON YOUR PROPERTY. 
          AND WE LOOKED AT IT, WE LOOKED AT THE TOWN PLAY SUITES, WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF YOUR COMPETITORS. 
          WE LOOKED AT, UH, OLYMPIA HILLS. 
          AND THE INTERESTING, THE ONLY INTERESTING THING I WANTED TO TO POINT OUT TO YOU IS, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR CLIENTELE IS, IS HIGHER EDUCATED, HIGHER INCOME FOLKS COMING FROM, UH, A LOT OF PLACES AROUND IN AND AROUND SAN ANTONIO. 
          BUT THE ONE THING THAT REALLY JUMPED OUT AT ME WITH THAT SURPRISED ME IS THAT YOU HAVE A STRONG CONNECTION TO THE AIRPORT. 
          IF OLYMPIA HILLS, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS VERY INTERESTING, A LOT OF PEOPLE EITHER COME FROM THE AIRPORT TO OLYMPIA HILLS, OR WHEN THEY LEAVE OLYMPIA HILLS, THEY GO TO THE AIRPORT. 
          IT WAS LIKE THE FIFTH OR SIXTH MOST COMMON PLACE THAT PEOPLE WERE GOING TO OR COMING FROM. 
          AND I WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE, THE TRACKING DATA WAS SHOWING US. 
          IT SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND FOR YOUR MARKETING AND HOW YOU, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR, UH, BRAND IMAGE AND ALL OF THAT AND THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO TO TRY TO PROMOTE THIS PROPERTY. 
          SO I GUESS WE'RE KIND OF WINDING IT DOWN HERE. 
          UM, WE HAD MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AS A PART OF THIS REPORT THAT WE DELIVERED TO YOU. 
          AND, UH, WE DO RECOMMEND THAT YOU COMPLETE SOME OF THE UPGRADES. 
          WE TRIED TO DIVIDE THE IMPROVEMENTS, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE RECOMMENDED FOR OLYMPIA HILLS INTO THREE CATEGORIES, WHAT WE CALL KIND OF THE NEED TO HAVE THE NICE TO HAVE AND SOME OTHER IDEAS THAT YOU COULD THINK ABOUT TO GROW REVENUE. 
          I THINK YOU REALLY NEED TO ADDRESS THE NEED TO HAVE ISSUES WHICH WERE, UH, MAINLY RELATED TO SOME OF THE FACILITY CONDITION ISSUES THAT, THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER. 
          UM, SOME OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW, THE KITCHEN RENOVATION, SOME OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ARE A LITTLE LOWER PRIORITY. 
          IF YOU, IF YOU HAD THE MONEY TO DO IT, YOU SHOULD DO IT, BUT MAYBE IT'S NOT HIGH ON THE LIST. 
          BUT OTHER INVESTMENTS, IMPROVING THE DRIVING RANGE, COVERING THE PATIO, FIXING THAT LOWER LEVEL OF THE PATIO, ALL OF THAT, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WILL HELP YOU GROW REVENUE. 
          YOU MAKE THOSE SPACES MORE APPEALING, THEY'LL GENERATE REVENUE FOR YOU. 
          UM, THE VAST MAJORITY OF MUNICIPALLY OWNED PUBLIC GOLF COURSES IN AMERICA ARE SELF-OPERATED BY THE MUNICIPALITY. 
          THE WAY YOU DO IT HERE AT OLYMPIA HILLS, 56% OF ALL THE MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSES IN THE COUNTRY ARE STILL SELF-OPERATED. 
          UM, THAT WAS A HIGHER NUMBER SOME YEARS AGO. 
          SO THERE IS A TREND TOWARDS SOME PRIVATIZATION WE'RE SEEING. 
          UM, BUT MOST OF THE COURSES ARE STILL SELF-OPERATED. 
          UM, OUR RECOMMENDATION TO YOU IS THAT PRIVATIZATION ONLY MAKES SENSE FOR OLYMPIA HILLS IN OUR MIND. 
          IF YOU GET, INVITE A PRIVATE SECTOR ENTITY TO INVEST THESE $4 MILLION FOR YOU, UM, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE THEN IF SOMEBODY WAS WILLING TO EXCHANGE A LARGE INVESTMENT IN THE PROPERTY IN EXCHANGE FOR SOME TYPE OF A LEASE TO RUN IT FOR YOU. 
          I THINK THAT'S WORTH LISTENING TO AND, AND WORTH, UH, ADDRESSING. 
          BUT, UH, BEYOND THAT, I, I DIDN'T REALLY SEE WHERE IT OBVIOUSLY PUTS YOU IN A BETTER SPOT TO DO IT OTHERWISE. 
          UM, YOU CERTAINLY, WE, WE MENTIONED THE TECHNOLOGY THAT SUPPORTS THE PROPERTY CAN BE ENHANCED, PROMOTE THE PROPERTY AND THE ADJACENT 
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HOTEL, ALL OF THAT GOLF PROGRAMMING IS CERTAINLY KEY. 
          UM, LESSONS, EVENTS, CLINICS, CAMPS, ALL OF THAT WITH GOLF GO VERY, VERY WELL. 
          YOU'RE RUNNING A LOT OF TOURNAMENTS THROUGH OLYMPIA HILLS, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT. 
          THAT'S A BIG PLUS FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR PUBLIC GOLF COURSES. 
          AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IMPROVE THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE CONVENIENCE TO GOLFERS. 
          THE, THE QUICK GRAB AND GO GOLFERS ARE VERY TIME SENSITIVE PEOPLE. 
          THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND THEM. 
          AND IF YOU MAKE THEM WAIT FOR SOMETHING AFTER THE NINTH HOLE, THEY'RE JUST NOT GONNA DO IT. 
          THEY JUST, THEY DON'T WANNA SLOW EVERYTHING UP. 
          BUT IF IT'S EASY, IT'S CONVENIENT, I CAN GRAB IT, PUT IT IN MY CART, GO RIGHT TO THE 10TH TEE, THEY'LL CONSUME IT AND YOU'LL GET MORE REVENUE FROM, FROM THE GOLFERS. 
          UM, WE DID A, A 10 YEAR, UH, OR ACTUALLY A FIVE YEAR, I, I APOLOGIZE MISTAKE ON THAT. 
          IT WAS A FIVE YEAR PROJECTION THAT WE DID FOR YOU. 
          WHAT KIND OF, WHAT IF YOU MADE SOME OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS AND IF YOU DID SOME OF THESE THINGS, WHAT DOES THIS PROPERTY LOOK LIKE GOING FORWARD? AND UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE PROJECTED THAT YOU COULD DO PROBABLY $700,000 BETTER IN REVENUE OVER FIVE YEARS. 
          UM, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THE INFLATION IN EXPENSES IS MORE RAPID THAN THE INFLATION IN REVENUES. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT. 
          YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE KEEPING UP WITH THAT. 
          UH, THERE ARE ALSO SOME INCREASES IN EXPENSES, BUT I THINK THIS FACILITY WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS, IT SHOULD BE MORE PROFITABLE THAN IT IS. 
          YOU'VE SEEN IT IN, IN 2025, YOU DID THE GREENS RENOVATION LAST YEAR IN 2024 AND YOU WERE ABLE TO PUSH UP FEES IN 2025 AND YOU DIDN'T LOSE A LOT OF YOUR ACTIVITY. 
          SO YOU'RE STILL GENERATING THE ROUNDS. 
          YOU HAVE HIGHER FEES, THAT MEANS MORE REVENUE. 
          SO YOU PUT MONEY INTO THE PROPERTY LAST YEAR, IT'S PAYING OFF FOR YOU THIS YEAR. 
          I THINK THE SAME THING COULD BE SAID FOR SOME OF THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE MADE TO EVEN TO MAKE THIS EVEN BETTER, UH, GOING FORWARD. 
          UM, BUT EVEN WITH ALL OF THIS, I MEAN, I THINK YOU STILL NEED SOME OF THE OUTSIDE SUPPORT, THE ECONOMIC OUTSIDE SUPPORT TO COVER DEPRECIATION, ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AND ALL OF THAT. 
          NOW, THAT OBVIOUSLY COMES FROM THE VENUE TAX, BUT THERE'S STILL A REMAINDER AFTER THAT. 
          SO IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF HOW MUCH OF THAT YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO USE, UH, FOR THE GOLF FACILITY. 
          UM, AND THEN LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, COMING FROM FLORIDA, I ALWAYS SAY PROJECTING THE FUTURE REVENUES AND EXPENSES OF A PROPERTY LIKE THIS IS LIKE PROJECTING THE PATH OF A HURRICANE, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU JUST, YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GONNA GO. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF MITIGATING FACTORS THAT COULD AFFECT THIS. 
          BUT I THINK ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL, I CERTAINLY SEE A BRIGHTER FUTURE FOR OLYMPIA HILLS WITH SOME OF THESE INVESTMENTS AND, AND, AND THE WAY YOU HAVE IT ALL SET UP RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, SO I'LL CLOSE WITH THIS AND WE'LL GET ONTO TO YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S TIME TO ADDRESS AGING INFRASTRUCTURE AND SOFTEN THE GOLF COURSE. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY WE SEE FROM THIS. 
          UM, I THINK YOU STILL HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT THERE'S OUTSIDE SUPPORT REQUIRED WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE TOTAL PACKAGE OF EXPENSES THAT ARE TIED TO THIS PROPERTY. 
          IT NEEDS SOME OUTSIDE SUPPORT IN ORDER TO COVER ALL OF THAT. 
          BUT THE OUTSIDE SUPPORT MECHANISM YOU HAVE IN PLACE NOW IS THE VENUE TAX. 
          AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THERE'S A LARGE REMAINDER AFTER THESE EXPENSES ARE COVERED FROM THAT VENUE TAX. 
          UH, IN OTHER WORDS, NOT ALL OF IT NEEDS TO BE USED TO, TO COVER THE, TO COVER THE GOLF COURSE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS THE ULTIMATE GOAL BEHIND ALL OF IT IS HOW DO YOU WIDEN THE APPEAL OF THIS, BROADEN THE APPEAL SO THAT PEOPLE MAYBE WHO'VE NEVER COME ON THIS PROPERTY BEFORE, WHICH SEE A REASON TO WANNA COME THERE. 
          EITHER I WANNA LEARN HOW TO PLAY GOLF, I WANNA HAVE LUNCH, YOU KNOW, IN THE CAFE THERE. 
          I WANNA HOLD MY BANQUET OR MY EVENT AT THE EVENT CENTER. 
          AND TO JUST TO BE MORE AWARE OF IT AND TO WANT TO USE IT MORE. 
          UM, AND THEN I THINK YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A COUPLE OF NEW POSITIONS THAT WE RECOMMENDED, MAYBE ONE IN THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE AREA, ONE IN THE, UH, GOLF COURSE MAINTENANCE AREA. 
          AND, UM, I'VE ALWAYS BELIEVED IN NEW PLAYER DEVELOPMENT IS KEY. 
          THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT'S GREAT ABOUT GOLF IS EVERY NEW GOLFER YOU CAN DEVELOP IS NEW MONEY FOR YOU IN THE FUTURE AS A NEW CUSTOMER. 
          SO YOU HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY WITH THE PRACTICE FACILITIES AND THE STAFF THAT YOU HAVE TO REALLY, TO REALLY DO THAT. 
          SO I HOPE I DIDN'T RACE THROUGH THAT TOO QUICKLY, , UM, BUT I WANTED TO GET ALL OF IT AND GET TO YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          I THINK THAT THIS IS A REALLY UNIQUE AND INTERESTING MUNICIPAL GOLF FACILITY. 
          UM, IT REALLY SHOWS WELL, UH, FOR YOU AND FOR THE CITY. 
          I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JUMPED OUT TO ME AS AN OUTSIDER COMING IN IS, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIG BROAD METRO AREA, UNIVERSAL CITY ITSELF DOESN'T REALLY SEEM TO HAVE VERY MUCH, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME BUSINESSES ALONG I 35 AND OLYMPIA HILLS. 
          AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU ARE. 
          SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT, IT'S A GREAT MIX FOR YOU. 
          SO WITH THAT, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU RICHARD. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          UH, OVERVIEW OF THE REPORTS. 
          UM, QUESTIONS. 
          QUESTIONS. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE COMMENTS NOW TOO OR YOU WANNA SAVE THOSE FOR COUNCIL MEMBER COMMENTS? UH, UH, RIGHT NOW 
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WE'RE JUST, WE'RE ADDRESSING THIS. 
          JUST QUESTIONS. 
          YEAH, THIS IS OKAY. 
          UH, SO, UH, YOU MENTIONED, UH, THAT WE HAVE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING ABOUT THE 3.2 MILLION TO 4.2 MILLION AND IN THE BACK YOU HAVE SOME FINANCIAL PROJECTIONS FOR THE FUTURE. 
          WITH THE REVENUE GROWTH THAT YOU MENTIONED, UH, DO YOU FEEL LIKE ALL 3.2 TO 4.2 IS NECESSARY TO REACH THOSE REVENUE? OR IS THE HIGH PRIORITY ITEMS REALLY WHAT'S NECESSARY TO KIND OF GET THOSE REVENUE TARGETS? PRIMARILY THE HIGH PRIORITY ITEMS. UM, BUT SOME OF THE, UM, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER INVESTMENTS TO IMPROVE REVENUE, THE DRIVING RANGE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PATIO IMPROVEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I DID NOT ASSUME THE TOURNAMENT PAVILION, WHICH I HAD IN THERE AS AN INVESTMENT IS NOT ASSUMED IN, IN THE, IN THAT. 
          BUT THE MAIN, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT MASTER PLAN, THE BUNKER RENOVATION, THE IRRIGATION EXPANSION, UM, SOME OF THE CART PATH IMPROVEMENTS, RESTROOMS, THE PARKING LOT, ALL OF THAT IS ASSUMED. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, WE HEAR OFTEN THAT THE GOLF COURSE WILL BRING IN BUSINESS OR REVENUE. 
          DID YOU SEE ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT OR ARE THERE ANY COMPANIES THAT CAN HELP QUANTIFY THAT FOR US? I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTOOD. 
          WELL, THERE'S A, THERE'S A QUESTION OF PEOPLE COMING TO THE GOLF COURSE MIGHT GO ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY AND GENERATE REVENUE. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT OR ARE THERE ANY COMPANIES THAT COULD HELP US QUANTIFY WHAT THAT MIGHT BE? YES, UH, I'LL ANSWER BOTH QUESTIONS. 
          AND THE FIRST QUESTION, I THINK THE ONLY EVIDENCE I WAS ABLE TO PRESENT IS THE CELL PHONE TRACKING INFORMATION THAT I GAVE YOU, WHICH DOES SHOW A STRONG CORRELATION BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND OTHER BUSINESSES AS WELL AS THE AIRPORT. 
          BUT THE SECOND PART OF THAT, I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER IF YOU'RE STRUGGLING WITH UNDERSTANDING OLYMPIA HILLS AND WHAT AND WHAT IT ITS PLACE IS, YOU MIGHT WANNA HAVE AN ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY DONE TO SEE WHAT IS THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, ON, ON UNIVERSAL CITY. 
          UM, IT DOES LOOK LIKE THERE'S A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF ACTIVITY THAT IS DERIVED AT THIS GOLF COURSE IS COMING FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT RESIDENTS OF UNIVERSAL CITY, WHICH WOULD MEAN THEY ARE BRINGING THEIR MONEY INTO THE CITY. 
          UM, AND WHETHER THEY ACTUALLY SPEND IT ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY ALSO IS, IS A KEY QUESTION THAT MIGHT BE WORTH ANSWERING. 
          GREAT. 
          AND MY LAST QUESTION FOR YOU IS, UM, WHAT YOU, YOU'VE SAID THIS IN THE, YOUR INTRO, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF PACKAGE IT FOR MYSELF A LITTLE BIT, BUT WOULD YOU SAY A FAIR SUMMARY OF YOUR CONCLUSIONS IS THAT THE GOLF COURSE REVENUES CAN BASICALLY COVER ITS OPERATING COSTS, BUT YOU'RE NOT SURE THAT IT WILL BE ABLE TO COVER ALL THE CAPITAL COSTS THAT YOU THINK IT MIGHT NEED? IS THAT BE A FAIR WAY OF I PUTTING IT? I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE WAY TO LOOK AT IT. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          I'LL SAVE MY COMMENTS FOR COUNCIL MEMBER COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? UH, MS. BONNER, SORRY, SHE HAD HER HANDS UP FIRST. 
          UM, SO I WAS INITIALLY REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE THIS DONE, BUT I THOUGHT THIS WOULD RESULT IN A WAY TO MAKE, I THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE SOME MORE TIPS IN HERE ABOUT HOW TO MAKE THE GOLF COURSE MORE SELF-SUFFICIENT WITHOUT USING TAXPAYER DOLLARS. 
          SO I THINK I FIND THAT HEARTBREAKING FOR ME. 
          'CAUSE I JUST, I THOUGHT IT WOULD HAVE MORE TO IT. 
          LIKE, THIS COULD HELP YOU INSTEAD OF, SORRY, YOU'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO BE A BURDEN ON THE TAXPAYERS TO SOME DEGREE FOREVER. 
          THAT'S HARD FOR SOME RESIDENTS WHO ARE AGAINST THAT. 
          UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID THOUGH, DO YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT WERE IN THIS PACKET THAT I JUST KIND OF WANTED YOUR OPINION ON? SO I MIGHT BE READING THIS WRONG OR TAKING IT OUT OF CONTEXT, BUT YOU SAID ONLY 33% OF GOLF COURSES CAN COVER BOTH ONSITE EXPENSES AND OTHER INDIRECT COSTS. 
          SO WHAT DO THE OTHER 67% DO? LIKE, ARE THEY JUST FAILING OR HOW DO THEY COVER THEIR COSTS? I MEAN, NO, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT I WOULD USE THE WORD FAILING BECAUSE OKAY. 
          I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FOUND IN THE LAST, YOU KNOW, 30 OR SO YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN DOING THIS IS THAT MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSES ARE A DIFFERENT ANIMAL, UH, IN THAT THEY'RE NOT TRULY BUSINESSES PER SE, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S AN AMENITY THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING YOUR COMMUNITY AND YOUR CITY AND A LOT OF COMMUNITIES ARE AGREEING THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO LET THE SUPPORT IT TO SOME DEGREE PROVIDED THAT IT'S BEING RUN EFFICIENTLY. 
          UH, THAT THERE'S NO REAL WASTE THERE WITH THE IDEA THAT YES, THE TAXPAYER IS SUPPORTING THE PRESENCE OF HAVING A PUBLIC GOLF COURSE IN OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE THINK IT HAS OTHER ECONOMIC IMPACT AND IT DOES OTHER THINGS FOR OUR COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF PROPERTY VALUES AND VISITATION TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO I REALLY WOULDN'T USE THE WORD NECESSARILY FAILING, BUT IT IS TRUE THAT TWO THIRDS OF THE MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSES IN THIS COUNTRY DO NOT EARN ENOUGH TO COVER EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAVE, UH, ALL OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES. 
          WHAT DO THEY DO THOUGH? MOST OF 'EM HAVE EITHER SOME TYPE OF MECHANISM TO SUPPORT IT, UH, TAXPAYER SUPPORT, UH, GENERAL FUND SUPPORT. 
          SOME OF THEM, UM, HAVE YEARS WHERE THEY DO WELL AND THEY PUT THE MONEY ASIDE AND THEY SAVE IT FOR THE KIND OF THE LEAN YEARS. 
          SO, UH, IT'S NOT EVERY YEAR IT, IT KIND OF GOES BACK AND FORTH. 
          UM, AND SOME OF THEM, UH, YOU KNOW, LOOK TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO TRY TO SUPPORT THEM IN SOME WAYS SPONSORSHIPS, UM, AND IN SOME CASES JUST OUTRIGHT LEASING IT, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, IN EXCHANGE FOR SOME LARGE SCALE CAPITAL INVESTMENT, UH, IS, IS A POSSIBILITY AS WELL. 
          BUT, UM, 
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I WOULD SAY PROBABLY MOST OF THEM HAVE SOME LEVEL OF TAXPAYER SUPPORT EMBEDDED INTO THEIR, INTO THEIR STRUCTURE. 
          UM, THEN ON MARKETING, I JUST WANTED TO GET CLARIFICATION ON THIS. 
          SO IT SAID YOU ON PAGE 36, IT SAID YOU RECOMMEND 26 TO $52,000 FOR A MARKETING BUDGET, YET WE'RE SPENDING $130,000 ON MARKETING. 
          AND A A I I FIND THAT SHOCKING SINCE ALSO IT WAS LIKE, WE NEED TO DO THE BASIC MARKETING LIKE EMAIL AND SOCIAL MEDIA AND THESE ARE THINGS, BUT IF WE'RE SPENDING 130,000 AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS 26 TO 52, THAT SEEMS LIKE A BIG DISCREPANCY TO ME. 
          YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT THE 26 TO 52 WASN'T A RECOMMENDATION. 
          I THINK THAT WAS MORE AN OBSERVATION OF WHAT'S STANDARD OKAY. 
          IN THE INDUSTRY. 
          BUT I THINK OLYMPIA HILLS HAS A MUCH LARGER PRESENCE ON THE EVENT CENTER SIDE THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE ATYPICAL. 
          SO I THINK THAT YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE HOW MUCH TO MARKET THE GOLF COURSE MIGHT BE 50,000, BUT THEN HOW MUCH TO MARKET THE EVENT CENTER MIGHT BE ANOTHER 50,000. 
          BUT I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THE NUMBER THAT YOU COME UP WITH ON THAT SHOULD INCLUDE PEOPLE. 
          IT'S NOT JUST WHAT YOU'RE SPENDING TO ACTUALLY ADVERTISE IN MAYBE A MAGAZINE OR TELEVISION OR RADIO OR YOUR POS SYSTEMS OR WHATEVER, BUT HAVING A MARKETING PERSON, EITHER ON STAFF OR ON STAFF WITH THE CITY TO PROVIDE SOME OF THOSE SERVICES, I THINK WOULD BE, WOULD BE REALLY, UH, GREAT FOR THIS PROPERTY. 
          AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS JUST PAGE 63, YOU SAID YOUR MOST VIABLE CONSIDERATIONS WERE A NEW FOOD AND BEVERAGE CONTRACT AND THE CHANGE TO A FULL SERVICE MANAGEMENT CONTRACT. 
          UM, CAN YOU KIND OF TOUCH BASE ON THOSE? WOULD EITHER OF THOSE POSSIBLY GET THE GOLF COURSE IN A BETTER POSITION TO GET OFF OF THE TAXPAYER DOLLARS? UH, MAYBE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I THINK THAT, LET'S TAKE 'EM ONE AT A TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK A FOOD AND BEVERAGE VENDOR IS, IS A POSSIBILITY. 
          UM, IT'S A SMALLER MARGIN AREA FOR YOU, BUT, UM, I THINK WITH THE LARGE SCALE EVENT CENTER THAT, THAT YOU HAVE, UM, AND THE, THE LARGE AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT YOU'RE GENERATING FROM ROOM RENTAL FEES, UH, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO IMAGINE THAT HAVING SOMEBODY COME IN AND DO THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE WOULD REALLY PUT YOU IN A VASTLY DIFFERENT POSITION. 
          I THINK IT'S A VIABLE OPTION FOR YOU, BUT I DON'T THINK IT CLEARLY PUTS YOU IN A BETTER SPOT THAN YOU ARE NOW BECAUSE YOU, YOU'D BASICALLY BE ALLOWING THEM TO KEEP ALL THE REVENUE FROM THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THEY WOULD MANAGE IT THE WAY THEY WANTED AND THEN YOU'D HAVE TO GET THEM TOGETHER WITH THE GOLF OPERATIONS AND MAKE SURE IT ALL WORKS SEAMLESSLY. 
          UM, AND MAYBE YOU'D SAVE A FEW PERCENT HERE OR THERE IN, YOU KNOW, IN ALL OF THAT. 
          UM, THE OTHER ONE, THE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT OPTION, I THINK IS GROWING IN POPULARITY, BUT IT, IT COMES WITH A COST. 
          SO BASICALLY THIS, IT, IT DOESN'T SHIFT THE RISK. 
          THE UNIVERSAL CITY STILL OWNS THE GOLF COURSE. 
          YOU OWN ALL THE REVENUE, YOU OWN ALL THE EXPENSE, YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, BUT YOU'RE PAYING SOMEONE A FEE TO MANAGE THE GOLF COURSE FOR YOU. 
          AND THOSE FEES ARE NORMALLY IN THE A HUNDRED, 120 $550,000 A YEAR RANGE. 
          SO THEY HAVE TO IMPROVE REVENUE BY THAT AMOUNT OR MORE JUST FOR YOU TO BREAK EVEN ON, ON THE OPTION. 
          AND, UH, IN SOME CASES THEY DO, IN SOME CASES THEY DON'T. 
          I HAVE JUST AS MANY CLIENTS THAT ARE STRUGGLING WITH THAT AS I DO THE ONES THAT ARE SELF-OPERATING. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PHRASE I LIKE TO USE IS THE GRASS IS ALWAYS GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE. 
          UM, I I, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY OF THESE OPTIONS REALLY PUT OLYMPIA HILLS IN A CLEARLY BETTER POSITION THAN YOU ARE NOW WITH THE STRUCTURE THAT YOU HAVE AND ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE, THE QUALITY AND THE DEDICATION OF THE STAFF THAT YOU HAVE. 
          I THINK IT'S HARD FOR ME TO IMAGINE IT. 
          THAT'S WHY THE, THE ONE THAT WE THOUGHT WAS THE REALLY THE ONE THAT MADE SENSE FOR YOU IS IF YOU COULD FIND A PRIVATE SECTOR PARTNER WILLING TO GIVE YOU THE $4 MILLION TO FIX IT UP, THAT'S WORTH LOOKING AT, THAT WOULD BE THE ONE THAT WOULD BE WORTH LOOKING AT. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MS. PAT, WELL YOU, YOU ALREADY HIT ON A COUPLE THINGS. 
          UM, IF WE DON'T GET AN IMPACT STUDY, JUST FROM WHAT YOU'VE SEEN, IF WE JUST KIND OF PUT THINGS ON THE BACK BURNER FOR A WHILE AND NOT MAKE THE REVENUE, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT, EXCUSE ME, THE GOLF COURSE TO CONTINUE, WHAT WOULD, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE IMPACT OR WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN THE IMPACT IS OF SMALL CITIES LIKE OURS? THAT THE GOLF COURSE IS A MAIN PIECE OF IT? YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF, IT DEPENDS. 
          I HAVE SEEN GOLF COURSES, CLOSE MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSES CLOSE, RIGHT? AND I, I'VE ALWAYS FOUND THAT THE ONES THAT HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE AHEAD OF TIME, THAT LOOK, WE HAVE SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO WITH THIS PROPERTY. 
          WE'RE LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO PUT OUR SOCCER FIELDS. 
          WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR A PLACE FOR A BETTER, YOU KNOW, CITY PARK AND WE CAN'T FIND IT. 
          AND THERE'S THIS GOLF COURSE THAT, YOU KNOW, TENDS TO BE IN THE RED MOST OF THE YEARS. 
          WHY DON'T WE LOOK AT THAT? AND THEY COME UP WITH A LONG-TERM PLAN AND THEY, THEY EXECUTE IT. 
          UM, A COUNTY IN LOUISIANA I WORKED FOR HAD DONE THAT. 
          UM, BUT IT WAS VERY CAREFULLY PLANNED OUT AND IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL AS A PARK. 
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BUT IF IT'S KNEE JERK, IF YOU JUST, I'M SICK OF LOSING MONEY, I'M SICK OF THIS. 
          JUST SHUT IT DOWN AND FORGET ABOUT IT. 
          THAT IS ALWAYS A DISASTER IN EVERY PLACE THAT I'VE WORKED. 
          UM, I DID A CITY IN MARYLAND THAT DID THAT AND THEY, IT'S BEEN BEEN, IT'S OVERGROWN, IT'S UGLY. 
          IT'S BEEN A HAVEN FOR HOMELESS AND IT'S, IT'S LIKE THE BIGGEST DISGRACE THAT THE CITY EVER DID. 
          AND, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PLAN. 
          THEY JUST GOT ANGRY AND THEY SHUT IT DOWN. 
          AND THAT'S BECOME AN EYESORE FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO I, I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, SHUTTING GOLF COURSES DOWN LIKE THAT IS TRICKY. 
          BUT I WOULD SAY IF YOU HAD SOMETHING IN MIND YOU REALLY WANTED TO DO WITH THIS PROPERTY AND THAT YOU'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY. 
          BUT GIVEN WHAT YOU HAVE IN, UH, IN WHAT I'VE SEEN IN UNIVERSAL CITY, I MEAN THIS IS LIKE THE CENTERPIECE OF YOUR WHOLE COMMUNITY. 
          I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A REALLY SCARY THING FOR IT TO BE, TO BE SHUT DOWN LIKE THAT. 
          IT'S OUR ONLY INCOME PRODUCING ENTITY THAT WE HAVE. 
          ACTUALLY, IT'S AN ATTRACTION FOR, FOR PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY TO COME IN. 
          UM, HAVING A MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT IS WHAT GOT US IN DEEP WATERS BEFORE. 
          BUT YOU, YOU'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH OUR STAFF AND YOU'VE SEEN THE DARK HOLE WE CAME FROM. 
          ME PERSONALLY, I THINK THEY'RE VERY CAPABLE. 
          THEY'VE BROUGHT US TO LIGHT. 
          SO YOU'RE JUST SAYING IF WE CAN GET A FEW MORE EMPLOYEES IN THERE TO HELP EASE THE LOAD MAYBE A LITTLE BIT. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW HOW HARD THEY WORK THAT WE'RE GONNA BE RUNNING MORE EFFICIENTLY. 
          YEAH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD SEEM TO BE THE CASE. 
          I THINK ONE OF YOUR EMPLOYEES GET CARRIED OUT IN AN AMBULANCE WHEN I WAS HERE IN DECEMBER. 
          SO I KNOW, YOU KNOW, FROM OVERWORK. 
          SO I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT SORT OF SUMS IT UP. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU, UH, MS. TURNER, I APOLOGIZE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION TOO. 
          UH, BACK ON THE FEE FOR SERVICE MANAGEMENT CONTRACT YOU HAD INDICATED, YOU SAID, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT WOULD BE THE WAY TO GO IF SOMEBODY WAS WILLING TO PUT A $4 MILLION INVESTMENT IN THERE AND THEN HAVE THE FEE TO OPERATE IT. 
          BUT IS THAT UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THEN THAT IF THERE WERE FUTURE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WERE NEEDED OR FUTURE MAINTENANCE, THAT THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE? OR WOULD THAT MEAN THAT THE CITY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE? I THINK IT DEPENDS. 
          I THINK THAT ACTUALLY IS NOT A MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT, BUT YOU'VE DESCRIBED THAT'S MORE OF A LEASE, AH, ARRANGEMENT THAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY, LIKE ANY LEASE, IT'S A CONTRACT BETWEEN THE CITY AND YOUR VENDOR. 
          SO IF THAT'S A CONCERN FOR YOU, YOU COULD PUT IT IN THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I, UM, MOST LEASES HAVE SOME TYPE OF MINIMUM CAPITAL REQUIREMENT INCLUDED. 
          SO THERE'S THE BIG CAPITAL UPFRONT AND THEN, THEN OVER EACH YEAR YOU HAVE TO PUT A CERTAIN AMOUNT IN A PERCENTAGE OR WHATEVER. 
          UM, SO YOU, YOU, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY KEEP THE PROPERTY UP. 
          THE BIGGEST DISASTER WITH LEASES IS THAT YOU LEASE IT TO SOMEBODY AND THEN AT THE END OF THE 10 YEAR TERM OR WHATEVER IT IS, YOU COME BACK AND YOU LOOK AT IT AND YOU'RE WONDERING WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS PROPERTY. 
          IT USED TO BE BEAUTIFUL AND NOW IT ISN'T ANYMORE. 
          AND I'VE, I'VE CERTAINLY HAVE QUITE A FEW IN MY FILE THAT HAVE HAPPENED THAT WAY. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE CONTRACTS THAT YOU WRITE AND THAT YOU IMPOSE AND THAT YOU MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ADHERE TO. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          MR. GOSBEE. 
          THANKS SIR. 
          SO, UM, RIGHT NOW I'VE GOT THREE QUESTIONS. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA LIMIT IT TO TRY TO LIMIT IT TO THE THREE. 
          YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH MORE. 
          UM, SO YOU'VE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS ON, UH, YOUR THREE CATEGORIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          WHAT IF WE DON'T DO ANY OF THEM? WELL, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA FIND THAT THE PROPERTY WILL, WILL STRUGGLE. 
          I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, A A GOLF COURSE IS A LIVING BREATHING ASSET. 
          IT'S ALWAYS DEPRECIATING BEFORE YOUR EYES. 
          AND, UM, IF YOU DON'T KEEP UP WITH IT, UM, I THINK IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA GET WORSE. 
          AND I MEAN, IT, IT BECOMES LESS APPEALING, UH, OVER TIME AND, AND FEWER PEOPLE WANNA PLAY IT AND FEWER PEOPLE WANNA PLAY. 
          IT MEANS THE REVENUE GOES DOWN AND THEN YOU HAVE LESS MONEY TO SPEND ON EXPENSES, WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE TO CUT EVEN MORE. 
          AND THEN IT BECOMES EVEN LESS APPEALING AND YOU JUST KINDA GET INTO THAT SPIRAL. 
          SO KINDA LIKE THE GREENS, YOU KNOW, AS THEY SPIRALED DOWN, WE SAW THE DROP IN PLAY AND THEN, AND THEN WE LEARNED THAT YOU HAVE TO REPLACE THE GRASS AFTER SO LONG YOU'VE LIVED IT BEFORE. 
          SO I THINK OKAY, SO, SO THAT, THAT, AND, AND THAT, THAT THAT'S NOT JUST TRUE FOR THE GREENS, THAT'S FOR THE FACILITIES AND THE OTHER ASPECTS. 
          AND A LOT OF WHAT WE'VE RECOMMENDED ARE KIND OF EITHER CATCH UP PIECES OR PIECES THAT, YOU KNOW, CORRECT SOME OF THE DEFICIENCIES FROM THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION. 
          SO YEAH, I LOVE THE GRAB AND GO IDEA. 
          AND THEN I LOVE THE IDEA OF MAKING, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT AT THE DRIVING RANGE, UM, AN AUTOMATIC BALL, YOU KNOW, WHERE I COULD BUY THOSE AUTOMATICALLY OR SOMETHING. 
          AUTOMATIC BALL DISPENSER. 
          I LOVE THIS IDEA 'CAUSE I'M A HUGE FAN OF GOING OUT AND HITTING THE BALL WHERE NOBODY CAN ACTUALLY WATCH ME. 
          SO THAT'S . 
          UM, BUT IT'S ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT I THINK AT OLYMPIA HILLS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK ACROSS THE BRIDGE AND UP BACK TO THE PRO SHOP TO GET ANOTHER BASKET OF BALLS AND BRING IT ALL THE WAY BACK DOWN, MAKE IT CONVENIENT. 
          AND YOU CAN SELL MORE, YOU CAN SELL MORE RANGE BALLS IF YOU MAKE IT CONVENIENT. 
          CAN I SELL MORE ADULT BEVERAGES DOWN THERE? UH, ADULT, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT HOW YOUR LIQUOR LICENSE WOULD WORK AND ALL OF THAT. 
          I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WORTH LOOKING INTO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF PROPERTIES DO THAT AND DO IT VERY WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO I I, I WAS SUPPOSED TO START OFF WITH, 
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS. 
          THIS WAS A GREAT, UH, PIECE OF INFORMATION. 
          IT WAS REALLY, UM, GOOD GOLLY THICK. 
          AND, UH, I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE WORK THAT WENT INTO IT. 
          UM, YOU DID TALK ABOUT CITY FUNCTIONS, THAT THE CITY IS BEING CHEEKY AND WHAT? CHEEKY AND NOT PAYING FOR RENTAL. 
          NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          THAT'S NOT TRUE. 
          SO WHENEVER THERE  NO, WE DON'T PAY A ROOM RENTAL. 
          AND SO THE, THE, THE WAY IT WORKS IS, LET'S SAY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES USE THE GOLF COURSE MEETING ROOM A LOT BECAUSE WHEN THEY HOLD TRAINING, UH, ESPECIALLY THE FBI TRAINING, UH, WE GET TWO OR THREE FREE SEATS AND IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE TRAINING. 
          SO THEY LIKE TO HOST IT BECAUSE WHEN YOU HOST IT, YOU GET FREE SEATS. 
          NOW KATIE AND HER STAFF DON'T CHARGE THEM THE ROOM RENTAL FEE, BUT IF THEY USE LINEN AND STAFF AND THEY HAVE FOOD. 
          THEY DO PAY FROM THEIR TRAINING BUDGET. 
          THEY PAY BACK TO THE GOLF COURSE FOR THAT. 
          SO WE'RE COVERING ALL OF THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE EXPENSES. 
          WE'RE JUST NOT PAYING A ROOM RENTAL FEE TO THEM. 
          THE OTHER CAVEAT FOR THAT IS, IS IF, UM, UH, A CITY DEPARTMENT OR A CITY MEETING OR SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN OUT THERE, AND, UH, KATIE AND HER STAFF HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UM, RENT THAT ROOM OUT FOR A PRIVATE EVENT. 
          WE GET, WE GET BOOTED. 
          WE ALWAYS GIVE THE PRIVATE EVENTS, UH, YOU KNOW, FIRST, FIRST CAUSE. 
          BUT WE TRY TO SCHEDULE OUR MEETINGS WHEN WE KNOW THAT THE GOLF COURSE HAS THE LEAST AMOUNT OF THE USE. 
          AND THAT'S USUALLY DURING THE WEEK. 
          NOT ON A WEEKEND FOR SURE, BUT DURING THE WEEK AND USUALLY DURING THE DAY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WEDDINGS DON'T USUALLY HAPPEN MONDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY, AND THEY DON'T HAPPEN DURING THE DAY UNLESS IT'S ON A FRIDAY, SATURDAY OR SUNDAY. 
          UH, SAME WITH RETIREMENT PARTIES, RAS, ALL THE OTHER TYPES THAT THEY DO. 
          SO WHEN WE'RE USING IT, WE'RE TRYING TO USE IT AT A TIME WHEN THE GOLF COURSE REALLY HAS NOTHING ELSE GOING ON. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I CAN TELL YOU KATIE'S A STRONG ENOUGH WOMAN. 
          SHE WILL BOOT US OUT OF THERE. 
           , I'VE MET HER. 
          I AGREE. 
          HAS BOOTED US OUT OF THERE. 
          ALRIGHT, MY LAST QUESTION AND YOU, YOU TALK ABOUT FINDING SOMEBODY TO TAKE THE, THE FOUR FOURISH MILLION DOLLAR THING, AND, AND IS NGF INTERESTED IN THIS OR WHAT'S THAT? IS NGF INTERESTED IN DOING THAT OR, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, INDEPENDENT. 
          WE DON'T, WE DON'T. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          IT'S WORTH A SHOT. 
          IT'S ALL GOT MR. MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          UH, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. 
          AGAIN, I APPRECIATE, UH, THE ZOOM MEETING AND I APPRECIATE THE, ESSENTIALLY, UH, YES. 
          UH, WHAT YOU'VE, UH, PROVIDED THE CITY. 
          THERE'S SOME, SOME QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE, HOWEVER, AND BASICALLY, UH, I'D LIKE A DEFINITION OF OPERATIONAL PROFIT. 
          YOU MENTIONED, YOU MENTIONED THAT IN YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          WHAT IS AN OPERATIONAL PROFIT IN YOUR LINGO? YES. 
          TOTAL, TOTAL REVENUES GENERATED GREEN FEES, CART FEES, UH, FOOD AND BEVERAGE, TOP LINE REVENUE, UH, DRIVING RANGE REVENUE, ALL OF THE REVENUES, BANQUET, UH, RENTAL ROOM RENTALS, AND ALL OF THOSE REVENUES MINUS THE DIRECT COST OF GOODS THAT ARE SOLD TO PRO SHOP SALES, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          FOOD AND BEVERAGE COSTS. 
          AND THEN ALL THE STAFFING, LABOR, MATERIALS, SUPPLIES AND EXPENSES THAT ARE REQUIRED ON SITE TO OPERATE THE FACILITY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, UH, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO ESSENTIALLY IT'S, IT'S MORE OR LESS, UH, THAT CONCEPT IS DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONAL EXPENSES, CORRECT? DOESN'T EXACTLY CORRECT WHAT YOU'VE TURNED INDIRECT COSTS, WHICH ARE THE, WHICH ARE THE DEPRECIATION COSTS AND SO FORTH, UH, AND PERSONNEL, POST PENSION COSTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UH, SO BASICALLY WHEN I TAKE YOUR PROJECTED NUMBERS FROM, UH, THE YEAR 2025 TO 2029, AND I AND I, UH, TAKE, UH, THE, UH, EXPENSES THAT ARE LISTED THERE AND, AND, UM, UM, INCLUDE THE OTHER OPERATIONAL EXPENSES, THE INDIRECT COST TYPE THING, AND GET TOTAL EXPENSES. 
          AND I LOOK AT THE COST MARGIN, UH, FOR THAT OVER THE FIVE YEAR PROJECTION PROJECTED PERIOD. 
          THERE IS A DEFICIT OF $3.5 MILLION WHEN I, UH, USING THE NUMBERS THAT WERE ON, ON YOUR DATA NOW. 
          I, I'M, AND, AND JUST FOLLOWING ME THROUGH WITH A FEW OTHER THINGS, AND, AND BASICALLY I LOOKED AT ROUNDS OF GOLF, RECOMMENDED ROUNDS OF GOLF RECOMMENDED, AND ALSO, UH, THE CHANGE IN SALARY, CHANGE IN COSTS FOR ROUNDS OF COSTS RECOMMENDED OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME. 
          AND BASICALLY, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS CAME OUT OF THAT. 
          AND 
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THAT IS, WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, ESSENTIALLY IT WOULD REQUIRE ON AVERAGE FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, AN ADDITIONAL 5,222 ROUNDS OF GOLF PER YEAR WITH THE INCREASED FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THE SERVICE. 
          AND WHEN I WORK THOSE NUMBERS, WHEN I WORK THOSE NUMBERS THROUGH, EVEN IF THAT, I COME UP WITH A DEFICIT OF $1.6 MILLION AFTER YOUR PROJECTIONS. 
          THE OTHER THING I'M KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT IS WHENEVER YOU SAY, AND I, AND I KNOW YOU'VE REVIEWED DATA BASED ON WHAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE ACCESS TO, BUT YOU SAY PRIOR TO, UH, 2024, THE OPERATIONS HAVE BEEN IN THE BLACK, USING YOUR ANALOGY THAT REVENUE MINUS EXPENSES ARE, ARE WHAT IS LOOKED AT FOR DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS FROM 2017 TO 2024 BY OFFICIAL CITY AUDITS. 
          THE DEFICIT WAS THREE, UH, 0.3, UH, $3.314 MILLION. 
          AND DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, UH, THE NON EARNED INCOME WAS 7.2, UH, UH, $7.2 MILLION. 
          DURING THE PROJECTED TIME THAT YOU HAVE FROM 25, UH, 2025 TO 2029, UH, ESSENTIALLY YOU'VE ACCOUNTED FOR THE ACCUMULATION OF VENUE TAX TO THE, TO, UH, UH, UH, BE INCLUDED IN, IN YOUR REVENUES FOR A TOTAL OF $6.7 MILLION. 
          AND WHEN ALL NON EARNED REVENUE IS INCLUDED, IT'S ACTUALLY UP TO $8.5 MILLION. 
          SO I QUESTION, UH, YES. 
          UH, ESSENTIALLY THERE SEEMS TO BE A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE STATEMENT OF OPERATIONAL PROFIT AND PROFITABILITY AND PROFITABILITY FROM 20, UH, FROM, UH, UH, 2020 TO 2024, AND WHAT APPEARS IN THE CITY AUDITS. 
          SO, SO BASE AND ALSO, UH, HOW MANY CATTLE CAN WE PUT, UH, IN THE FIELD IN TEXAS, UM, CAN OUR, OUR, OUR GOLF COURSE SUSTAIN AN ADDITIONAL AVERAGE INCREASE OF 5,222 ROUNDS PER YEAR? WELL, THERE'S A LOT TO UNPACKAGE WITH THAT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT IT KIND OF ROUNDABOUT A LITTLE OF IT EARLY ON IN YOUR QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE FUTURE PROJECTIONS, AND THEN YOU MENTIONED SOME OF THE PREVIOUS HISTORY ABOUT IT. 
          SO I'LL START WITH THE PREVIOUS HISTORY ABOUT IT. 
          FIRST YOU MENTIONED 2017 THROUGH 2024. 
          UH, I KNOW THAT IN 20 17, 18 AND 19, THERE WERE CERTAINLY LOSSES ON THIS PROPERTY, AND IT KIND OF TURNED THINGS AROUND AFTER 2020. 
          UM, AND I THINK ALL OF THOSE TOGETHER AND ADD 'EM TOGETHER AS A SEVEN OR EIGHT YEAR STRETCH, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT IT ALL WOULD BE IN THE NEGATIVE. 
          I I, I ONLY GOT INFO FROM 2019 ON, UM, BUT AGAIN, YOU, YOU HAVE A VENUE TAX MECHANISM THAT SEEMED TO HAVE BEEN COVERING THAT. 
          UM, IN THE FUTURE PROJECTIONS, I'M NOT QUITE FOLLOWING WHERE YOUR LOSSES ARE BECAUSE I, THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO MATCH THE CALCULATIONS THAT I HAD DONE. 
          UM, PAGE 71. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND PAGE 70 GOLF COURSE EXPENSES, OTHER EXPENSES LEADING TO YES. 
          TOTAL EXPENSE OVER THE FIVE PERIOD OF 19,222,000. 
          SO SAY THAT AGAIN. 
          WHAT'S THE 19 MILLION ON PAGE 71? YES, THE AGGREGATE PUBLIC EXPENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S 2025 TO 2029 IS, IS, UH, $19,222,000 IN CHECK. 
          WHAT IS, WHAT DOES THAT INCLUDE? THAT INCLUDES THE TOTAL GOLF EXPENSES AS WELL AS THE DEPRECIATION, STORMWATER ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES AND CAPITAL EXPENSES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          SO IT INCLUDES THE BULLET, WHAT, WHAT I, WHAT WE ARE REFERRING TO AS BELOW THE LINE NUMBERS. 
          I DO SEE THAT NOW. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO BASICALLY, AGAIN, IF I LOOK AT THE GROSS MARGIN, OKAY. 
          DATA I COME UP WITH, I COME UP WITH ESSENTIALLY A $3.4 MILLION DEFICIT. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T MATCH THAT CALCULATION BECAUSE WE HAVE THE REVENUE FROM THAT AS WELL AS IF WE'RE DOING BELOW THE LINE, THEN WE HAVE TO INCLUDE THE TRANSFER IN AND THE VENUE TAX, THE INTEREST INCOME, THE BILLBOARD AS WELL. 
          RIGHT? SO, I MEAN, IF YOU INCLUDE ALL OF THOSE TOGETHER, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE A DEFICIT. 
          SO, SO BASICALLY THEN YOU HAVE 
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CONCLUDED THAT OUR CITY REQUIRES, REQUIRES THE VENUE TAX IN ORDER TO MEET EXPENSES. 
          AND THAT'S CONSI THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH HOW IT'S BEEN BUDGETED AND THAT, YES. 
          I THINK THAT IN THE LAST TWO YEARS OF, UH, ESSENTIALLY NON OR INCOME HAS ACCOUNTED FOR 33 TO 42% OF THE GOLF COURSE BUDGET. 
          AND THAT'S BEEN FAIRLY CONSISTENT. 
          UH, 30% IS KIND OF THE CONSISTENT NUMBER FOR PRIOR YEARS BACK THAT HAVE BEEN IN BUDGET PROCESS. 
          AND SO I'M TRYING, AND I, I GUESS, UM, I'M, I'M SYMPATHETIC WITH, UH, UH, MS. WMAN AND, AND SAYING, UM, WHEN WE DEFINE OFF ABILITY OF THE GOLF COURSE, IS IT BASED ON EARNED INCOME OR DOES IT, OR, UH, IT WILL, IT FORESEE SUPPLEMENTATION, UH, FOR THE ENTIRE FUTURE OF THE GOLF COURSE? AND IT SORT OF SUGGESTS THAT THE LADDER IS TRUE UNLESS, UNLESS THERE'S A MANAGEMENT CHANGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          WELL, I'M NOT SURE A MANAGEMENT LET, LET'S, I'LL, I'LL UNPACK A LITTLE BIT THE WAY I, THE WAY I SEE IT TO RESPOND TO THAT, BECAUSE YES, OLYMPIA HILLS DOES REQUIRE AN OUTSIDE MECHANISM TO SUPPORT SOME OF THESE ITEMS. AS I HAVE MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES IN THE PRESENTATION AND ALSO IN THE REPORT. 
          BUT A LOT OF WHAT IT'S COVERING IS DEPRECIATION, WHICH IS A NON-CASH ITEM, ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES, WHICH IS PAYING TO THE CITY. 
          SO IT'S ONE CITY DEPARTMENT PAYING ANOTHER CITY DEPARTMENT. 
          AND IF THE GOLF COURSE GOES AWAY, YOU STILL HAVE ALL THOSE EXPENSES THAT YOU'D HAVE TO COVER. 
          THEY JUST GET ALLOCATED TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS. 
          UM, AND, UM, THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, WHICH I'M, I'M NOT REALLY SURE I UNDERSTAND, BUT ALTHOUGH WE DID ADJUST IT FOR THE FUTURE, I THINK THE $600,000 THAT WE HAD HAD IN THERE, WE WERE, WE THOUGHT WE'D MOVE THAT TO A CAPITAL EXPENSE, SO IT WOULDN'T BE AN ONGOING ANNUAL $600,000 COMMITMENT. 
          UM, BUT THE GOLF COURSE REVENUES THAT IT'S GENERATING FROM GREEN FEES, CART FEES, PRO SHOP SALES, FOOD AND BEVERAGE SALES DRIVING RANGE IS COVERING ITS ONSITE DAY-TO-DAY EXPENSES. 
          AS WE HAD INDICATED WITH EACH OTHER EARLIER. 
          IT'S WHEN YOU ADD THESE OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE, WE CALL BELOW THE LINE THAT IT'S REQUIRING IT, ITS EXTERNAL SUPPORT. 
          BUT I WOULD POINT OUT THAT A LOT OF THESE ITEMS THAT ARE BELOW THE LINE ARE NOT REALLY CASH ITEMS TO THE GOLF COURSE. 
          I MEAN, DEPRECIATION, YOU DON'T WRITE A CHECK TO ANYONE FOR DEPRECIATION. 
          YOU'RE JUST SORT OF SETTING IT ASIDE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES, WHICH ARE CITY DEPARTMENTS. 
          YOU'RE PAYING FOR THE CITY MANAGER, THE CITY FINANCE DIRECTOR, YOU'D HAVE TO PAY ANYWAY, EVEN IF THE GOLF COURSE WASN'T THERE, RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, THEY WOULD JUST GET DISTRIBUTED TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS. 
          SO I'M, I'M STRUGGLING TO SEE THE DEFICITS THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING, BUT THE BIGGER PICTURE IS ACCURATE THAT THIS GOLF FACILITY DOES NEED AN OUTSIDE MECHANISM TO FULLY SUPPORT EVERYTHING IT'S DOING. 
          I'M NOT SURE. 
          I AGREE, IT'S AT 30%, BUT IT CERTAINLY IS IS IT NEEDS IT TO COVER SOME OF THESE ITEMS. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, UH, THANK YOU. 
          UM, WHEN I, I, I THINK SO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UH, THANK, UH, OH, I, I'M SORRY. 
          I REMEMBERED , UH, ONE OF THE INCREASES THAT YOU SAID IN GOLF ACTIVITIES, WHICH WAS KIND OF IMPRESSIVE, UH, HAD TO DEAL WITH NONGO, UH, COURSE RE REMEDIES. 
          SO LIKE, LIKE, UH, IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE A, A TOTAL 18 HOLE GOLF COURSE. 
          IT WAS DRIVING RANGES, SIMULATION CENTERS, I FORGOT THE TERM THAT YOU USED OFF SOMETHING OR OTHER OFF COURSE, YEAH, OFF COURSE ACTIVITIES OF, OF COURSE ACTIVITIES. 
          IS THERE ANY, IS, CAN YOU SEE THAT PARTICULARLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE HOTEL, UH, UH, TYPE THING? IS THERE KIND OF A TRADE OFF BETWEEN PERHAPS A NINE HOLE GOLF COURSE, KEEPING THE HOTEL, UH, HAPPY, KEEPING THE CONVENTION CENTER, UH, UH, HAPPY, UH, TYPE THING, BUT REDUCING THE OVERALL OPERATIONAL COSTS THAT MIGHT BE A BENEFIT? WELL, A, AGAIN, A A LOT TO UNPACKAGE THERE. 
          I THINK WE'RE KIND OF MERGING A COUPLE OF CONCEPTS TOGETHER, BUT I WILL ADDRESS IT. 
          UM, ONE IS THE ISSUE OF NINE HOLE GOLF COURSES, WHICH I THINK IS, IS SOMETHING THAT'S AN OPTION FOR YOU, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S THE, KIND OF THE 50 50 SPLIT THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK MOST NINE HOLE GOLF COURSES GENERATE ABOUT 40% THE REVENUE OF AN 18 HOLE COURSE AND HAVE ABOUT 60% OF THE EXPENSES. 
          AND IT'S NOT HARD TO REALLY IMAGINE WHY THAT WOULD BE. 
          YOU STILL GOTTA HAVE A GENERAL MANAGER AND A SUPERINTENDENT AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MANAGING A SMALLER PROPERTY, BUT IT'S THE SAME. 
          SO 
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YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY DON'T CUT AS MUCH. 
          YOU DON'T CUT HALF THE EXPENSES BY CUTTING HALF THE NUMBER OF GOLF HOLES. 
          BUT YOU DO MENTION SOMETHING IN THAT QUESTION THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY TO CONSIDER AT OLYMPIA HILLS, AND THAT IS THE TRENDS IN GOLF, WHICH ARE MOVING AWAY FROM TRADITIONAL 18 HOLE GREEN GRASS GOLF TO A MORE NON-TRADITIONAL SETTING, WHICH INCLUDES PRACTICE, AMENITIES, SIMULATORS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE RECOMMENDED YOU INVEST IN THAT DRIVING RANGE AND MAKE IT BETTER AND MAKE IT MORE CONVENIENT AND EASIER TO USE AND PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, FOOD AND BEVERAGE OUTLETS OUT THERE. 
          MAYBE EVEN LIGHTS FOR NIGHT USE IF YOU COULD DO IT. 
          MUSIC PLAYING, YOU KNOW, ADULT BEVERAGES AS YOU MENTIONED, ALL OF THAT. 
          YEAH, I'D SEEN A LOT OF SUCCESS WITH THAT EVERYWHERE, EVERYWHERE I GO. 
          SO THERE'S REAL POTENTIAL FOR THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE EVEN PUTTING UP SIMULATORS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SOMEWHERE IN THE CLUBHOUSE OR IN THAT LOWER LEVEL AREA, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT GOLFERS KNOW THAT ON TELEVISION, THERE'S A WHOLE SIMULATOR GOLF LEAGUE GOING ON ON ESPN, NOW IT'S INDOOR GOLF, IT'S IN ONE ROOM, NOT THAT MUCH BIGGER THAN THIS, UM, THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE PLAYING 18 POLES OF GOLF INTO A SCREEN. 
          I MEAN, AND THERE'S INTEREST IN THAT. 
          SO YES, THERE IS DEFINITELY A TREND IN GOLF TOWARD DEATH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I APPRECIATED THIS INFORMATION. 
          IT REALLY KIND OF PUT THE GOLF COURSE IN. 
          I'VE ALWAYS VIEWED IT AS KIND OF AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY, AND I FELT LIKE THAT'S THE MESSAGE THAT I GOT OUT OF THIS, THAT THERE'S VALUE THAT ADDS TO THE CITIZENS, EVEN IF THEY DON'T USE THE GOLF COURSE. 
          WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT? I AGREE WITH THAT, ABSOLUTELY IS, BUT THAT'S HARD TO QUANTIFY. 
          YES. 
          BUT WHEN I LOOK AT, WE HAD LIKE 79,000 VIEW PEOPLE THAT CAME TO THE COURSE, AND 32 OF THOSE WERE UNIQUE VISITS, LIKE JUST THE F OKAY. 
          AND THEY WERE COMING FROM OUTSIDE ON. 
          A GREAT MAJORITY OF YOU FELT LIKE THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AN AMENITY USED BY THE COMMUNITY, BUT IT IS BRINGING PEOPLE INTO OUR COMMUNITY AND AT LEAST THEY'RE SPENDING MONEY THERE. 
          THAT IS CORRECT, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK IF I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. 
          WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE IMPACT IF WE DIDN'T DO SOME OF THOSE HIGH PRIORITY THINGS? IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS WE WOULD, THE COURSE WOULD DEGRADE SOME AND WE WOULD END UP REDUCING FEES AGAIN, WHICH WOULD PUT US BACK TO WHAT WE WERE DOING LAST YEAR. 
          AND PROBABLY GOING DOWN THAT PATH, I THINK THAT'S THE MOST LIKELY OUTCOME. 
          OKAY. 
          THE ONE THING I'VE LEARNED IN DOING THIS AS A GOLF CONSULTANT IS YOU CAN'T CUT YOUR WAY TO SUCCESS. 
          THAT IF YOUR ONLY SOLUTION IS TO CUT EXPENSES, YOU'RE ONLY GONNA MAKE THE PROBLEM WORSE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WELL, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INSIGHT INTO THE COURSE. 
          I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT THAT YOU PUT INTO THAT. 
          RICHARD, I HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          THE COMPANY, THE CITY THAT TO CLOSE THE GOLF COURSE UNDER A WELL-PLANNED PROGRAM AND TURNED IT INTO A CITY PARK, HOW'D THEY PAY FOR THAT? UH, I'M, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. 
          I'LL HAVE TO CHECK. 
          THAT'S, UH, EAST EAST, UH, EAST BATON ROUGE PARISH IN LOUISIANA. 
          I BELIEVE IT WAS TAXPAYER FUNDED, BUT I I COULD CHECK ON THAT FOR YOU. 
          I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CERTAIN. 
          THEY MIGHT HAVE HAD SOME GRANT MONEY INVOLVED IN THAT TOO. 
          THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          THAT THE UPKEEP WOULD STILL COME BACK INTO THE CITY. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY REVENUE COMING INTO THE PARK ANYMORE. 
          IT'S LIKE YOU USED TO WHEN IT WAS A GOLF COURSE, AND YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT AND, YOU KNOW, MOW IT AND TAKE CARE OF THE FIELDS AND ALL OF THAT. 
          SO YES, IT'S A, IT'S A NEW EXPENSE FOR THE, UH, FOR THE COUNTY. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          EXCELLENT, UH, UH, CONSULTATION. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR, ALL THE HARD WORK YOU DID. 
          I LOVE THE REPORTS. 
          IT'S VERY INFORMATIVE. 
          UH, EVEN THE NEGATIVES WE'RE VERY INFORMATIVE AND WELL PRESENTED. 
          UH, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CONSENSUS OF THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS REPORT AS, AS WRITTEN, UH, JUST FOR MATTER OF RECORD, IF I CAN HAVE A CONSENSUS AS WE'RE NOT VOTING ON IT OR ANYTHING, JUST A CONSENSUS OF APPROVAL. 
          I AGREE. 
          FOR THE REPORT. 
          I AGREE. 
          HIS REPORT'S FINE. 
          YEAH, IT WAS A BEAUTIFULLY WRITTEN REPORT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING US. 
          WE VERY MUCH ENJOYED DOING IT. 
          AND, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO KIND OF KEEPING TRACK OF ALL THIS AND SEEING WHERE, WHERE IT ALL GOES. 
          A QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY , SAVE YOURSELF, SAVE YOURSELF. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE PROMISED TO MAKE IT MORE INTERESTING TO NOT WATCHING PAINT DRY. 
          I JUST LIKE, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          NEXT IS STAFF REPORT. 
          WALK AROUND WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS. 
          UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          UM, UH, I KNOW THIS IS, UH, NOT AN OFFICIAL REQUEST THAT CAME THROUGH CITY COUNCIL, BUT, UH, MR. RUBAL MEETS, UH, FAIRLY REGULARLY WITH THE STAFF. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS HE HAD ASKED ABOUT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP MENTIONING OR HE SEES IN THE BUDGET THE OLD PUBLIC WORKS YARD, AND WHAT IS IT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING? AND, UM, I KNOW WE TALK ABOUT IT WHEN WE GET TO THE BUDGET SEASON, BUT, UM, I ASKED RANDY IF HE WOULDN'T MIND SPENDING A FEW MINUTES JUST KIND OF GIVING YOU ALL THE OVERVIEW OF THE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS 
          [01:10:01]
YARD AND WHAT THE LONG-TERM PLAN IS FOR IT. 
          THANK YOU, RANDY. 
          SOMEBODY'S BUZZING MAYOR COUNCIL. 
          UM, I WAS ASKED, UH, AT THE REQUEST OF MR. RUBLE, UH, TO DO A PRESENTATION ON OUR PUBLIC WORKS YARD THAT WE'VE BEEN FUNDING FOR, UM, SEVERAL YEARS. 
          MANY OF THE YEARS WE'VE BEEN CASH FUNDING IT. 
          UM, DO SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS AND LEMME SEE IF I KNOW HOW TO WORK THIS CLICKER. 
          OKAY, SO HERE'S OUR CURRENT CONDITIONS OUT THERE. 
          AS, AS RIGHT NOW. 
          THE FIRST, THE FIRST, UH, ONE TO YOUR LEFT IS OUR CURRENT CONDITIONS, UH, WHERE THE GREEN ROOF IS, WHERE WE OFFICE OUT OF RIGHT NOW. 
          YOU'LL SEE IN THAT, UH, FIRST PICTURE THERE ALSO WHERE NUMBER THREE IS, YOU'LL SEE THE OLD YARD, WHICH WE CALL THE DIRTY YARD. 
          AND THEN THE GREEN, UH, UH, FIELD RIGHT THERE IS PROPERTY, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IN THE THIRD, THIRD PICTURE RIGHT HERE. 
          THAT IS A PROPERTY THAT WE ACQUIRED. 
          I CAN'T EVEN, I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHAT YEAR I ACQUIRED IT, IS, I KNOW IT'S WELL OVER 2015, MAYBE 2013. 
          AND THAT WASN'T THE FORECAST OF, UH, TO EXPAND THIS YARD. 
          UH, 'CAUSE WE KNEW ONE DAY WE WERE GONNA OUTGROW THE CURRENT YARD THAT WE WERE IN. 
          UH, AND THEN THE, YOU'LL SEE, THE MIDDLE SLIDE IS OUR CURRENT CONDITION. 
          UM, THE FIRST PHASE OF THE WORK WAS WE KNOW EVERYTHING. 
          IF YOU, LET ME GO BACK TO THAT LAST PICTURE IS WE GOT A RESIDENTIAL IN THE THIRD SLIDE. 
          YOU GOT A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ABUTS THAT PROPERTY THERE. 
          EVERYTHING DRAINS THAT DIRECTION. 
          SO WE KNEW WE'VE HAD AN IMPACT. 
          SOME OF THE HOUSES, 'CAUSE THE HOUSES, UH, SIT LOWER THAN THAT ELEVATION BACK THERE. 
          BUT WE KNEW WE HAD TO BRING IN SOME DRAINAGE, UH, UH, OVER THERE TO CAPTURE IF WE'RE MAKING OUS YARD, WHICH WOULD, WHICH WE BE DOING. 
          UH, SO ON THIS ONE, THE FIRST PHASE OF THE PROJECT IS WHERE WE WENT THROUGH COUNCIL. 
          Y'ALL APPROVED, WE DID THE STORM DRAINAGE PROJECT THAT TOOK IT AND DISCHARGES IT IN RED HORSE PARK. 
          SO THAT WAS THE FIRST INITIAL PHASE OF THE WORK. 
          UM, THEN, YOU KNOW, THEN WE, AND THAT WAS THROUGH OUR BUDGET PROCESS. 
          AND THEN 2024, UH, WE PRESENTED OUR BUDGET. 
          UH, RIGHT THERE WERE FUNDS WE'RE IMPROVE, UH, PUT IN FOR THE WATER, 150,000. 
          WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, 6 MILLION DEBT, DEBT THAT YOU'LL BE SEEING THAT WE WILL FORECAST IN, IN, IN THE UPCOMING, UH, BUDGET. 
          AND THEN ALSO WE FUNDED ANOTHER 150,000 THROUGH OUR 'CAUSE. 
          WE SPLIT WATER AND SEWER FUNDING. 
          UH, SO IT WAS 300,000. 
          THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS BUDGETED. 
          AND, AND PART OF THAT MONEY, THAT MONEY RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE DOING THIS YEAR. 
          UH, HERE'S ANOTHER . 
          THIS WAS ALL PRESENTED THROUGH OUR BUDGET PROCESSES LAST YEAR. 
          UM, THIS, UH, PART OF WHAT WE'VE DONE RIGHT NOW IS WE HAVE DESIGN FEES RIGHT NOW THAT WE'VE WORKED ON. 
          AND THIS IS AN UGLY, UH, PICTURE, BUT THIS IS OUR GRADING PLAN. 
          , IT JUST LAYS OUT OUR TOPO AND HOW THE WATER ALL TRENDS DOWN THAT DIRECTION. 
          AND THEN THE BOTTOM, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS ONE HAS A LASER OR NOT, BUT, UM, THERE IS A, DOWN AT THE BOTTOM IS WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DETENTION POND TO CAPTURE ALL THE STORM WATER THAT, UH, GOES DOWN THAT DIRECTION. 
          UM, THIS IS IN THE NEW YARD, WHICH IS PART OF THE PROJECT IS THE AWNINGS THAT WE'LL HAVE AT THE NEW YARD AND AT THE OLD YARD. 
          SO THIS IS, THIS IS IN PROGRESS RIGHT NOW, UH, IN, UH, IN MANUFACTURING FOR OUR NEW YARD. 
          UH, THIS IS THE LAYOUT OF WHAT THE FUTURE WOULD LOOK LIKE OF THAT PROPOSED PROJECT. 
          UH, BASICALLY IT'S A BIG WAREHOUSE IS WHAT IT IS. 
          WE DO HAVE OFFICE OFFICES THAT'D BE IN THE FRONT. 
          YOU'LL SEE, YOU'LL SEE THAT WITH THIS PROPERTY IS NOT IDEAL. 
          IT'S NOT LEVEL, IT'S NOT FLAT. 
          YOU SEE IT TERRACES DOWN ON THAT BOTTOM. 
          EVERYTHING STARTS DROPPING DOWN THAT DIRECTION AS THE SLOPE GOES. 
          UH, BUT THIS IS A BIG WAREHOUSE, BASICALLY. 
          IT HAS 3D FOUR DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS. 
          UH, THE FIRST ONE IS OUR STREET DEPARTMENT. 
          YOU'LL SEE AT THE TOP WHERE IT SHOWS STREET. 
          THE PURPLE IS OUR UTILITY, UH, BAY AREA. 
          THE GREEN IS FOR THE PARKS. 
          AND THEN THE LAST ONE RIGHT THERE IS A BIG WAREHOUSE FOR A LOT OF OUR VEHICLES AND ALL OUR BULK, BULK STUFF THAT WOULD BE STORED IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA RIGHT THERE. 
          AND THEN THE FRONT HALF THE BLUE IS WHERE WE'LL HAVE A LARGER TRAINING ROOM. 
          RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT CAPACITY. 
          UH, WE'RE EXCEEDING CAPACITY IN MY CURRENT TRAINING ROOM WITH STAFF THAT I HAVE NOW. 
          IT OPENS IT UP, UH, FOR MORE OFFICE SPACE. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE MAXED OUT CURRENTLY. 
          UH, AND I CAN MENTION ALL DEPARTMENTS ARE PRETTY MUCH MAXED OUT, BUT THIS ONE HERE ADDS GROWTH TO OUR DEPARTMENT. 
          AND YOU'LL SEE WHERE WE HAD THE BREAK ROOM AND EVERYTHING, THESE THAT WE GO WITH IT. 
          UH, THE NEXT SLIDE, HERE'S ANOTHER, AND THIS IS ALL SCHEMATIC. 
          WE HAVEN'T GONE TO, WE HAVEN'T STARTED OUR DESIGN, UM, CONTRACT. 
          WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY FURTHER IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW. 
          I GOTTA GET THE, THE CIVIL PORTION DONE BEFORE WE START GOING VERTICAL. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE SCHEMATIC PORTION OF IT. 
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AND THEN THIS IS THE RENDERING THAT WE GOT, UH, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE FROM THE FRONT HOW IT WILL DROP OFF TOWARDS THE BACK GOING DOWN. 
          BUT THAT'S A RENDERING OF WHAT, UH, THE FUTURE ANNEX, WHAT WE'RE CALLING PLUG WORKS, ANNEX BUILDING. 
          SO THIS IS WHERE ALL THE WORK CENTER WOULD BE, ALL THE WAREHOUSING AND THEN THE BAYS. 
          BASICALLY. 
          THE MECHANIC SHOP THAT I HAVE NOW IS, UH, OCCUPYING THREE BAYS. 
          WE HAVE TWO OTHER BAYS THAT, UM, OFFICE, THE STREET WHERE WE HOUSE THE STREET SWEEPER, THE WATER TRUCKS, ESPECIALLY DIFFERENT TREES THAT WE HAVE INDOORS. 
          AND THE, THE VEHICLE MAINTENANCE WOULD EXPAND INTO THE CURRENT BAYS THAT WE HAVE OVER THERE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT, IF YOU GOT ANY QUESTIONS. 
          BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. 
          STILL IN THE DESIGN SPACE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AM I GONNA COME DROP MY CRAP DURING CLEANUP DAY? ? I WOULDN'T WANNA DO, I WOULDN'T WANNA DO IT IN THAT FRONT PARKING SPOT. 
          SO I DON'T, THIS DOESN'T, DOESN'T HAVE A LASER, RIGHT? NO, I THINK IT DOES. 
          OKAY. 
          I THIS POINT TO IT. 
          SO BASICALLY RIGHT IN HERE, THESE RIGHT HERE, WE WILL HAVE IT WHERE YOU COME IN, YOU'LL DROP OFF AND THEN CIRCLE RIGHT BACK OUT. 
          WE DO HAVE IT DESIGNED FOR THE, TO MAINTAIN EVERYTHING IN THAT YARD. 
          AND IT WILL MAKE IT A LOT MORE SUFFICIENT WHERE, UH, WE HAVE EVERYBODY GOING IN ONE DIRECTION. 
          WE'LL HAVE DIFFERENT, WITH THE AWNINGS, WE'LL HAVE DIFFERENT STATIONS. 
          WE'LL BE ABLE TO PLACE DIFFERENT STATIONS WHERE EVERYBODY CAN GO WITH THIS PLAN. 
          YES. 
          UH, THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, RANDY. 
          UH, BASICALLY, UH, TO, UH, UH, CLARIFYING, UH, THAT IS THIS $6 MILLION, IT WILL BE A BOND PRESENTED TO THE RESIDENTS FOR APPROVAL. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? NO, THIS IS NOT, IT'S NOT. 
          IT'S, IT'S A UTILITY. 
          IT'S, IT IS NOT A VOTER ONE THAT YOU GO FOR VOTES BASIC. 
          IT'S A UTILITY. 
          I FORGET THE TERM RIGHT NOW. 
          UTILITY REVENUE BOND REVENUE BONDS IS WHAT IT WOULD BE. 
          UTILITY, BECAUSE IT'S TIED TO YOUR WATER AND SEWER RATES, NOT TAXPAYER DOLLARS. 
          IT'S NOT TIED TO PROPERTY TAX. 
          IT'S TIED TO WATER AND SEWER FEES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, WITH THE $6 MILLION INVESTMENT CURRENTLY, CURRENTLY, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, UM, THE RESPONSE TO WORK WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, UH, IS APPROXIMATELY 80% REACTIVE AND 20% PREVENTATIVE. 
          UH, TO YOU SORT OF FOLLOW SOME DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY. 
          SO BASICALLY, I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY HOW THE $6 MILLION INVESTMENT WILL ACTUALLY IMPROVE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE COMMUNITY AS FAR SERVICE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT IMPROVEMENT IN THE OPERATIONS OF PUBLIC WORKS. 
          UM, BUT CONS, CONSIDERING WATER RIGHTS ISSUES CONSIDERING ESSENTIALLY INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES, UM, UH, TYPE THING. 
          AND THE FACT THAT WHEN WE DEAL WITH BIG PROJECTS, WE CONTRACT IT OUT, WHETHER IT'S ROADS OR PIPELINE BURST PROJECTS OR WHATEVER, UH, TYPE THING. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S SORT OF THE TRADE OFF. 
          I MEAN, THAT EXPANDING THE FACILITIES WOULD IS GREAT. 
          BUT, UH, WE STILL HAVE THIS GREAT INFRASTRUCTURE DEBT THAT WE, WE BOTH APPRECIATE. 
          AND $6 MILLION COULD GO A LONG WAY, UH, FOR, UH, TOWARD THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT. 
          AND BESIDES THAT, THE RESIDENTS ARE GONNA SEE HIGHER RATES IN THE END. 
          UH, SO THAT'S WHY THIS, THIS IS THE MODEL, RIGHT? SO YOU'LL SEE WHERE WE BUDGET THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE WHERE WE, AND THIS IS JUST A SMALL CLIP OF WHAT WE PUT IN INTO IT. 
          UM, BUT WE WILL FORECAST IN HERE TO WHERE WE ARE LOOKING AT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OLD YARD. 
          WE LOOK AT WATER, WATER, WASTE WATER. 
          WE HAVE, WHICH IS 300,000, THE GROUND STORAGE PAINTING AT 209. 
          BUT YOU'LL SEE THE PROJECTION OF WATERLINE REHAB PROJECTS OF 300 IN 2025. 
          WE GO TO THREE 15, WE GO TO THREE 30. 
          SEE HOW IT'S FORECASTED INTO THE FUTURE IS WE BUILD THIS PLAN FOR, WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO OUT IN OUR SYSTEM. 
          WE PLAN FOR IT. 
          IT'S A PLANNING MECHANISM FOR US. 
          AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, THE BILLING CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, THE ONE I'M THAT WE'RE IN NOW IS BUILT IN 
          [01:20:01]
2005, WHICH 2025. 
          SO WE'RE 20 YEARS OLD, YOU KNOW, WAS BUILT FOR IN 2000, UH, FIVE FOR THE AMOUNT OF STAFFING THAT WE HAVE. 
          WE'VE GROWN SINCE THEN, RIGHT? SO WE'VE MAXED OUT, UM, CURRENTLY I CAN'T HOLD THE INVENTORY THAT I NEED TO HOLD FOR ANY TYPE OF DISASTER WE HAVE IN OUR CITY. 
          AND THEN THE BIGGEST THING THAT I'M INCURRING COST-WISE IS ALL THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S EXPOSED, YOU KNOW, DRY ROD OF HYDRAULICS, THE, UM, OUR TANKS, UH, POLY, POLY TANKS THAT WE HAVE, EVERYTHING THAT IS, IS JUST SUN BAKED OUT THERE, WHICH IS COSTING US MORE MONEY AND REPAIRS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          SO THIS WILL HELP OUT TREMENDOUSLY TO SAVE, UH, THE EQUIPMENT, THE STORING OF THE MATERIALS IN THE EVENT THAT IS, IS A, IS A DISASTER. 
          UH, BUT JUST OUR EVERYDAY, I CAN'T KEEP ENOUGH STORAGE, IF YOU KNOW, NEXT TO WALMART, THAT'S WHERE I HAVE ALL THOSE PILES OUT THERE BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STORAGE IN THE YARD, WHICH I STILL GOTTA LOOK FOR MORE PROPERTY FOR THAT TYPE OF STORAGE. 
          BUT YES, THIS IS OUR FORECAST ME MECHANISM. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE GRADY HERE. 
          AND WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR RATES. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL, AT EVERYTHING ON WHAT NEEDS TO, WHAT WE NEED TO DO, UH, FROM NOW TO FIVE YEARS OUT. 
          AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL WE DO IN OUR WATER WASTE WATER DEPARTMENT AS PLANNING. 
          I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF, UH, COUNSEL'S GOT A COPY OF THAT PREVIOUSLY. 
          IT MAY HAVE. 
          IT MAY HAVE. 
          BUT I WOULD LOVE A COPY OF YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          THIS YES. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          Y'ALL HAD, YOU HAD IT DURING OUR BUDGET PROCESS LAST YEAR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, UH, THANK YOU. 
          THANKS SIR. 
          UM, HOW MANY ACRES IS THAT PROPERTY, RANDY? THIS WAS TWO POINT. 
          THE ADDITION OVERALL, UH, THAT SITE, THAT SITE, ABOUT FOUR ACRES, I BELIEVE FOUR ACRES. 
          HOW MANY SQUARE FEET NEW WERE WE GETTING DISGUSTED? I WISH YOU GOT ME QUESTIONS AHEAD OF TIME. 
          I'D HAVE ALL THAT FOR YOU. 
          DANG IT. 
          . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I WAS GONNA, BUT IF YOU WANNA GET, I CAN GET YOU ALL THAT. 
          JUST LET ME KNOW WHAT, WHAT, YEAH, I JUST, I WAS GONNA CRUNCH THE NUMBERS AND YELL AT YOU ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          YEAH, I CAN GET YOU, I CAN GET YOU ALL THAT . 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. MAYOR. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? MAYOR PRO TIM? YEAH, I, WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER BALL JUST THREW OUT THE REACTIONARY AND PREVENTATIVE PERCENTAGES, DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT PERCENTAGE FROM A STANDPOINT? AND IS THERE ROOM IF MUCH OF YOUR RESPONSE TIME IS SPENT IN THE REACTIONARY, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN PLAN BETTER FOR THAT? UH, WHAT PERCENTAGE DID YOU THROW OUT THERE FOR THAT? ACTUALLY THEY CAME FROM RANDY IN THE OFFLINE DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, . 
          SO, SO THOSE WERE YOUR NUMBERS. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY, IS THERE ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT IN THAT, WHERE WE COULD BE MORE PREVENTATIVE? THERE? THERE IS, BUT THE TYPE OF IMPROVEMENT, UH, PREVENTATIVE THAT WE DO IS, IT'S HARD. 
          IT'S HARD. 
          IT'S HARD. 
          IT'S HARD 'CAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT, WHAT'S COMING AT YOU. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          AND THEN I WAS GONNA, IS IS THAT PRETTY STANDARD? 'CAUSE IT SOUNDS, IT SOUNDS KIND OF ALARMING A LITTLE BIT THAT SO MUCH OF IT IS REACTIONARY, BUT I THINK THAT'S ALSO THE NATURE OF YOUR WORK. 
          YES, IT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE YOU, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A A MONTH'S WORTH OF RAIN AND GUESS WHAT I, POTHOLES I DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE I GOT OUT THERE, SO YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU, RANDY. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE, UH, MS. TURNER? NO, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW WE'RE GONNA 
          [6. PUBLIC HEARINGS]
GO INTO A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UH, WE'VE HAD NO ONE SIGN UP FOR, BUT WE'RE GONNA GO WITH ORDINANCE 6 5 5 U 2025 SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A BERG LAW FIRM AT 2101 PAT BOOKER ROAD. 
          UM, GONNA GIVE US A PRE TO AN OPEN MEETING. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL? YES, SIR. 
          UH, SO THIS IS THE PROPERTY AT 1201, UH, PAT BOOKER ROAD. 
          UH, AS YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IT, IT'S KIND OF NONDESCRIPT, UH, WHEN YOU TRAVEL TO THAT SIDE OF TOWN. 
          UH, IT WAS A 1900 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING BUILT 1964. 
          AND FOR THE MOST RECENT PASS, IT'S BEEN A COUNSELING SERVICE CENTER. 
          AND SO, UH, THE INDIVIDUAL WHO CURRENTLY OWNS IT WOULD LIKE TO RETIRE, SELL THE PROPERTY, UH, TO, UH, BARGER LAW FIRM, WHICH IS CURRENTLY LOCATED IN TOWN. 
          UH, THEY WOULD LIKE TO PURCHASE THE BUILDING AND USE THE ENTIRE FACILITY FOR THEIR LAW PRACTICE, UM, PER THE ZONING CODE. 
          A UH, A USE OF THAT TYPE IN THE C TWO RETAIL DISTRICT DOES REQUIRE A SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. 
          UM, I'LL LET YOU KNOW THAT IT DID GO BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, EARLIER THIS MONTH, AND DID RECEIVE A UNANIMOUS VOTE, A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. 
          WE DID SEND OUT 16, UM, NOTICE LETTERS TO PROPERTY OWNERS SURROUNDING THIS PROPERTY. 
          AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UH, TO TELL HIS STORY AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. 
          I'M, DO THE, UH, WE'LL DO THE PUBLIC HEARING FIRST. 
          IT IS, UH, 7 55. 
          WE'LL OPEN IT IF ANYONE, 
          [01:25:01]
NO ONE SIGNED UP. 
          BUT I'LL FOR A PUBLIC MEETING. 
          I'LL GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO FOR LAST SECOND DECISION. 
          AND NOBODY IS JUMPING UP TO GHOSTS UNLESS YOU WANNA HEAR FROM MR. BARGER NOW OR AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, SIR. 
          SO, WELL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK NOW, MR. BARER? WELL, YEAH, I'D BE HAPPY TO, UM, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO COME IN FOR YOU TODAY. 
          MY NAME'S JASON BARGER. 
          I RUN THE BARGER LAW FIRM. 
          UM, I'VE BEEN IN PRACTICING ATTORNEY FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS NOW. 
          UH, WE MOVED, UH, MY OFFICE DOWN HERE FROM AUSTIN ABOUT, UH, 15 YEARS AGO. 
          AND WE SET UP SHOP OVER AT 4 3 3 KITTY HAWK ROAD, WHERE WE'VE BEEN RENTING OUR OFFICES, UH, WHAT FOR THE PAST SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS, HOWEVER LONG, 10 YEARS, HOWEVER LONG THAT IS, I THINK THE 11 YEARS NOW. 
          UM, WE, WE LIKE BEING HERE. 
          WE LOVE THIS COMMUNITY. 
          WE LOVE BEING PART OF THIS AND THE SERVICES THAT WE'RE ABLE TO OFFER, BOTH THE RESIDENTS OF UNIVERSAL CITY AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTS OF CONVERSE AND LIVE OAK SHIRTS AND GARDEN RIDGE. 
          'CAUSE WE SEE A LOT OF CLIENTS COME IN FROM THE SURROUNDING AREAS. 
          WE DO HAVE PROBABLY 40, 40% OF OUR CLIENTELE ARE UNIVERSAL CITY RESIDENTS. 
          WE, UM, WANT TO STAY HERE. 
          WE DO NOT WANT TO BE SUBJECT TO RENT INCREASES, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT PERMANENT. 
          UM, THE CURRENT OWNER, UM, UH, CATHERINE WHITE AND I KNOW EACH OTHER. 
          WE WERE IN ROTARY TOGETHER. 
          UM, AND WHEN SHE DECIDED TO RETIRE, I, I KIND OF HAD BEEN HAVING MY EYE ON THIS BUILDING 'CAUSE I FELT IT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD FIT, UH, FOR OUR LAW FIRM. 
          WE'RE A SMALL FIRM. 
          I'M THE ONLY ATTORNEY. 
          MY WIFE WHO HAD TO LEAVE TO GO BE WITH OUR CHILDREN WORKS WITH ME. 
          MY OLDEST SON WORKS WITH ME. 
          IT'S A VERY, IT'S A BIT, IT'S A FAMILY LAW FIRM IS WHAT WE DO. 
          WE DO PROBATE LAW, WE DO ESTATE PLANNING. 
          UM, WE DO A LITTLE BIT OF FAMILY LAW, UH, UH, FAMILY LAW WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE NEED TO. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO BECOME A BIG, LARGE, HUGE LAW FIRM. 
          WE'RE GONNA STAY SMALL. 
          WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE SERVICES TO THIS COMMUNITY, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IT. 
          I'D LIKE TO STAY HERE. 
          UM, WHEN THE BUILDING BECAME AVAILABLE, WE WENT INTO CONTRACT WITH, UM, MRS. WHITE. 
          UM, THE DAY THAT WE WENT TO SIGN IT, WE, WE REACHED OUT TO THE, THE CITY AND MR. CASADA. 
          AND, UM, AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, DO YOU KNOW IT'S NOT ZONED FOR WHAT YOUR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, ? AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE, THE, THE, UH, CLAUSES AND THE CONTRACT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT THROUGH THIS PROCESS FIRST. 
          AND THIS IS THE LAST STEP, UM, BEFORE WE'RE ABLE TO CONCLUDE THE SALE AND, AND PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, SO, UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, I DO ASK FOR THE BLESSING OF THIS COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY AND TO BE PART OF, TO BE BE ABLE TO COME UP HERE AND STAND IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY. 
          SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER 'EM. 
          I'LL HAVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC PUBLIC MEETING BEFORE WE CAN ANSWER, ASK QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND PUBLIC MEETING IS CLOSED AT 7 59 AND NOW OPEN IT UP FOR SIT OUT. 
          THAT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          , AS I PROMISED MORE INTERESTING THE WATCHING PAINT DRY . 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO DO YOU HAVE CLIENT MEETINGS AT THE HILLSIDE BISTRO  COURSE? OH, THE GOLF COURSE. 
          UM, YES, I HAVE. 
          I'VE MANAGED TO, UM, SECURE A NUMBER OF CLIENTS OUT ON THE GOLF COURSE. 
          I MYSELF AM A BIG GOLFER. 
          MY SON'S A BIG GOLFER. 
          WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME AT OLYMPIA HILLS. 
          OUR ROTARY CLUB MEETS OUT THERE, AS YOU WELL KNOW. 
          UM, AND I'M OUT THERE JUST ABOUT EVERY DAY. 
          MY SON PLAYS FOR CLEMONS. 
          AND SO HIS TEAM PRACTICES OUT THERE. 
          UM, ALL THE, EVERYTHING WE HEARD ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE IS VERY ENCOURAGING. 
          AND, UM, AND I'LL SAY EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT A RESIDENT OF UC, IT SERVES AS A HUGE PART OF OUR LIVES. 
          AND, UM, AND I HOPE THE COUNCIL, I'M SURE THE COUNCIL DOES RECOGNIZE THAT, THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE UC RESIDENTS, IT'S THE WHOLE COMMUNITY THAT REALLY BENEFITS FROM THE GOLF COURSE. 
          SO, YEAH, I, I LIKE BEING OUT THERE. 
          YOU SEE ME OUT THERE JUST ABOUT EVERY DAY. 
          , IT WAS JUST A JOKE. 
          BUT THANKS FOR THE THANKS, YOUR HONOR. 
          IT ALL GOT MR. MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE YOU. 
          OH, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, MAYOR , ARE YOU PLANNING ON MAKING ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING? YEAH, WE ARE. 
          WE'RE GONNA, UM, WE'RE GOING TO, OBVIOUSLY ONCE WE PURCHASE IT, WE'RE GONNA GO AND, UM, WE'RE GONNA REDO THE WHOLE INSIDE. 
          UM, IT NEEDS TO BE REDONE. 
          IT'S LIKE, IT'S BUILT IN 1964. 
          IT'S VERY OLD. 
          IT HAS NO WINDOWS. 
          SO IT'S A VERY DARK BUILDING INSIDE, WHICH FOR THE SERVICES THAT MRS. WHITE OFFERED, WHICH IS COUNSELING, MAY HAVE SUIT BEEN VERY SUITABLE TO NOT HAVE THE PUBLIC PEEKING IN. 
          WE LIKE TO HAVE SUNLIGHT. 
          WE'RE GOING TO, WE ENGAGE IN ENGINEER, UM, AND CONTRACTOR TO FIND OUT, CAN WE DO THIS? WILL THIS BUILDING ALLOW US TO DO THIS? AND 
          [01:30:01]
THEN WHATEVER, UM, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS OR, OR, UM, UH, PERMISSION WE NEED TO GET FROM THE CITY TO TAKE THAT OUT. 
          WE'RE GOING TO OBVIOUSLY PUT A NEW SIGNAGE. 
          WE'RE GONNA PUT, UM, AWNINGS OVER THE FRONT OF IT. 
          WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE COST OF, UM, PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO REPAVE PARKING LOT 'CAUSE IT'S PRETTY OLD. 
          AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING IN COVERED, UM, SOME OF THE COVERED PARKINGS, NOT, NOT METAL, BUT THE, THE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT. 
          THIS, THE KIND OF STRETCH STUFF. 
          IT, IT LOOKS KIND OF NICE. 
          UM, SO EITHER IN THE FRONT, CERTAINLY IN THE BACK, BUT PROBABLY IN THE FRONT TOO IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN AFFORD THAT. 
          UM, SO, UM, AND THEN THE, THE SIDE OF THE, THE, THE WALL THAT IF YOU'RE HEADING TOWARDS THE, TOWARDS THE BASE, UM, THE, THE NEIGHBOR THERE IS AN AUTO REPAIR SHOP OR MUFFLER SHOP, I BELIEVE. 
          AND IT'S KIND OF SET BACK. 
          AND SO THAT WHOLE SIDE OF THAT WALL IS VERY EXPOSED TO PEOPLE DRIVING BY. 
          I HAVE A VISION THAT I'D LIKE TO GET A, UM, VERY TASTEFUL MURAL PAINTED ON THERE THAT BOTH, UM, RECOGNIZES UNIVERSAL CITIES, RECOGNIZES, UM, THE MILITARY, UM, BASE THAT'S CLOSE BY. 
          UM, AND THEN, AND OBVIOUSLY HAS SOME SORT OF, NOT ADVERTISING, BUT RECOGNITION OF WHAT THE, OF WHAT OUR BUILDING IS. 
          UM, I HAVE A VISION OF THAT. 
          I HAVE NOT EXPLORED THAT YET. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS, BUT I'M GONNA START LOOKING AT MURALISTS TO SEE WHAT THAT WOULD COST. 
          AND, UH, BUT I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A, WHAT I ENVISION IS THAT IT WOULD BE A REALLY NEAT ENHANCEMENT TO THAT STREET. 
          IT WOULD NOT. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW WITH THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING DOES NOT LOOK VERY ATTRACTIVE. 
          UH, THAT'S, UM, AS Y'ALL MAY, MAY OR MAY NOT REALIZE OR KNOW  THAT THAT'S RIGHT. 
          I ASKED. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO MAKE IT VIBRANT. 
          WE WANT TO MAKE IT LOOK GOOD. 
          UM, IT'S OBVIOUSLY GONNA REFLECT BACK ON MY BUSINESS, BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT IT WILL REFLECT BACK ON THE CITY AND HELPING HELP IMPROVE, HOPEFULLY A LONG-TERM PLAN OF PAT BOOKER'S, UM, OF THE PROJECTS AND THE BUSINESS ALONG PAT BOOKER LOOKING BETTER AS WELL. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE PLANNED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, THAT'S ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          BET. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN YOU HAND THAT OFFICE? THANK YOU. 
          SO, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR ANYTHING FROM THE CITY STAFF? NO, SIR. 
          SO WE JUST NEED A VOTE. 
          WE VOTE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          WE NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND AND A VOTE, SIR. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU'VE ALREADY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING WITNESS. 
          RIGHT? THANK YOU. 
          ENTERTAIN A, UH, MOTION? ANYBODY VOTE AFTER CLE? YOU CAN VOTE NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          WE DO IT LATER. 
          IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          WE GOT TWO. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE TWO, DON'T WE? YES. 
          I'M USED TO DOING 'EM INDIVIDUALLY. 
          MY APOLOGIES JUST FOR THROW IT IN THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL OPEN UP ANOTHER ORDINANCE. 
          5 8 1 PUD 20 23 1 0 7 A, UH, EXTENSION EAST LOOP 1604 IN WEST BIRD. 
          AGAIN, NO ONE HAS SIGNED FOR DISCUSSION, BUT IT IS, UH, 8 0 4. 
          I'LL OPEN UP THAT. 
          AND YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE A OVERVIEW? YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          COUNCIL. 
          UH, SO AS YOU MAY RECALL, ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO IN LATE 2023, UH, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AN ORDINANCE THAT APPROVED THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF, UM, 1604 AND WEST BYRD BOULEVARD. 
          IT WAS A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND SO THEY'VE BEEN WORKING OUT ISSUES WITH CPS. 
          AND SO PER THE POD OVERARCHING ORDINANCE, UH, THEY HAVE 18 MONTHS TO BREAK GROUND, UH, WHICH THEY HAVE NOT DONE. 
          AND SO, UH, PRIOR TO THAT EXPIRATION DATE, UH, THEY DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO PETITION COUNSEL FOR A 12 MONTH EXTENSION, UH, WHICH IS WHAT BRINGS US HERE TONIGHT. 
          SO THAT EXTENSION WOULD BRING US TO MAY 22ND, 2026 FOR THEM TO START ON THE PROJECT. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          INTERESTING. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? PUBLIC HEARING CAN, UH, WITH THAT'S RIGHT. 
          I'M APOLOGIES. 
          ACTUALLY, I'M IN A PUBLIC HEARING ALREADY. 
          SO, IS ANYONE FROM STAFF, EXCUSE ME, FROM THE CITY YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS? COMMENTS? 8 0 5. 
          PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. 
          NOW OPEN FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION. 
          MR. BOB? YES. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          UM, UH, MICHAEL, WITH REGARD TO EXTENSIONS, UM, UM, BASICALLY IF THERE WERE A PRESSING NEED FOR IDENTIFYING THE ADDITION OF IRRIGATION METERING ON PODS, UH, UH, TYPE THING, COULD THAT BE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE EXTENSION? 
          [01:35:01]
WELL, I SUPPOSE YOU COULD PROPOSE THAT. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE A DISSERVICE TO THE APPLICANT WHO WENT THROUGH A RIGOROUS PROCESS TO GET WHERE WE ARE TODAY. 
          WELL, THEY'VE ALSO DELAYED AND WE'RE FACING WATER SHORTAGES. 
          AND SO BASICALLY AS A, UH, THEY'VE DELAYED IT IS UP. 
          IT'S IN OUR COURT, I THINK. 
          YEAH. 
          AND LET ME, LET ME TAKE A REAL QUICK LOOK AT THE EXHIBIT D THAT WAS PART OF THAT APPROVAL, BECAUSE WE DO REQUIRE, UM, WE HAVE A LANDSCAPING SECTION FROM THAT. 
          AND I DO BELIEVE, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THEY ARE REQUIRED TOE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THEY ARE REQUIRED TO IRRIGATE. 
          LET'S SEE HERE. 
          AND AGAIN, I'M ONLY ASKING AT THIS POINT, SO I, I CAN READ THIS DIRECTLY. 
          MAYBE THIS WILL SATISFY YOUR INQUIRY. 
          UH, IRRIGATION OF ALL LANDSCAPING IS REQUIRED AND SHALL BE REFLECTED ON AN IRRIGATION PLAN SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION. 
          I THINK THAT ADDRESSES IT. 
          UH, AGAIN, IF IT'S METERED, IT WILL BE METERED. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S SEPARATE. 
          ALL IRRIGATION IS METERED ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS TO KNOW. 
          YES, SIR. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? CALL FOR A MOTION. 
          OH, WE'RE STILL IN PUBLIC HEARING. 
          WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE CONSENT. 
          I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SO LET'S CLOSE THE, LET'S CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          OH, DID I, DID YOU DID. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN ANNOUNCEMENT, THEN YOU CAN VOTE. 
          WELL, THE ACTION ITEMS ARE NOT UNTIL THE ACTION ITEMS ORDER. 
          WE AIN'T GOT ANNOUNCEMENTS YET. 
          YEAH. 
          MAYOR, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO REARRANGE THE REST OF YOUR AGENDA, YOU CAN DO THAT AND GO INTO THE ACTION ITEMS ON THAT, AND THEN FLIP BACK TO CONSENT, AND THEN GO BACK TO ACTION ITEMS. IF YOU WANNA CLEAR UP THESE TWO ITEMS RIGHT NOW, SOUNDS TO ME LIKE EVERYBODY'S READY TO VOTE. 
          IT'S AT YOUR PREROGATIVE. 
          IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND ALLOW THEM TO VOTE. 
          I, I, WELL, I CALL FOR A MOTION. 
          OKAY, SO SECOND. 
          WHICH ONE? WHICH ONE? YES. 
          ARE WE DOING THESE TOGETHER OR DO WE DO THEM? YOU HAVE TO DO THEM INDIVIDUALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, FOR ORDINANCE 6 5 5 U 2025 SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR BURGER LAW FIRM AT 1221 AT BOOKER ROAD. 
          CALL FOR THE VOTE. 
          UH, CALL FOR A MOTION. 
          IT WOULD BE A CALL FOR THE VOTE. 
          CALL FOR THE VOTE. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER PUTT AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER GOOLSBY. 
          AYE. 
          MAYOR PUT FITZPATRICK AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BOWMAN AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          SORRY. 
          RUBAL. 
          AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER JUAN AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIED. 
          CONGRATULATIONS. 
          ORDINANCE, UH, 5 8 1 UPUD 20 23 1 0 7. 
          UH, EAST LOOP EXTENSION, EAST LOOP 1604 IN WEST BIRD TO APPROVE. 
          SECOND DISCUSSION, VOTE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BOWMAN AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER GOOLSBY AYE. 
          MAYOR PRO FITZPATRICK. 
          AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER PUTT AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER RUBAL AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER VO AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIED. 
          CONGRATULATIONS FOR THAT. 
          UH, DOES ANYBODY NEED TO TAKE A BREAK? LET'S TAKE A, LET'S TAKE, UH, LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE, LET'S TAKE, LET'S TAKE A SIX MINUTE BREAK. 
          EVERYBODY. 
          SIX MINUTES. 
          OPEN THE DOOR. 
          I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS GONNA BE THAT. 
          . 
          THANK YOU FOR STAYING. 
          I WILL. 
          UH, 
          [7. ANNOUNCEMENTS]
ANNOUNCEMENTS. 
          CITY MANAGER ANNOUNCEMENTS. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          DID YOU ALREADY DO THE MINUTES? NOPE. 
          OH, NEXT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, HERE'S MY ANNOUNCEMENTS REAL QUICK. 
          , LEMME TURN MY MICROPHONE BACK ON. 
          UH, HAPPY HOURS. 
          AND THE THURSDAY NIGHT, SCRAMBLES HAVE RESUMED, SO IF YOU WANNA GET HAPPY OR IF YOU WANNA PLAY GOLF AT NIGHT, THAT'S THE PLACE TO BE. 
          WE HAVE OUR EASTER EGG HUNT ON SATURDAY THE 19TH. 
          UH, THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY HAVING THEIR, UH, ANNUAL HUGE BOOK SALE. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE A FREE LITTLE LIBRARY THAT YOU'D LIKE TO STOCK, IF YOU BUY BOOKS AND GIVE THEM TO, UH, CONVALESCENT CENTERS OR HOSPITALS, THAT'S AVAILABLE. 
          AND IF YOU JUST LIKE TO READ OR YOU'RE LIKE ME, YOU BUY 'EM AND YOU SHIP THEM TO YOUR, UH, FAMILY MEMBERS AS GIFTS. 
          THAT'S A GOOD IDEA TOO. 
          UH, THIS EVENING, THE UNIVERSAL CITY POLICE ACADEMY ALUMNI ASSOCIATION HAS STARTED THEIR CLASSES. 
          UH, SO, UH, WE'LL HAVE MORE MEMBERS ON THAT. 
          AND THEN THE SPLASH PAD OPENS ON APRIL 21ST, WHICH IS AFTER EASTER INTENTIONALLY, UH, IN CASE PEOPLE ASK YOU. 
          AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, FROM MY ANNOUNCEMENT CENTER, THANK, UH, LAST WEEK, UM, UH, MARY EDDIE, MYSELF, AND MS. TURNER 
          [01:40:01]
WENT TO THE BASE TO PROVIDE, UH, CERTIFICATES FOR ABOUT 30 VOLUNTEERS FROM THE FIVE OH FIRST, UH, TRAINING SQUADRON. 
          UH, MOST OF THESE WERE STUDENTS, SOME WERE PERMANENT PARTY, BUT IT, UH, COMPOSED OF ALL RANKS. 
          UH, THEY WERE VERY, VERY APPRECIATIVE OF COMING OUT. 
          THEY GAVE US A LITTLE TOUR OF THE AREA AND QUITE INTERESTING WHAT THEIR MISSION IS OUT THERE. 
          ANYWAY, WE APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UH, THAT'S REALLY ALL I'VE GOT FOR THIS ONE BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S SOME GOOD NEWS COMING FROM SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TODAY ON THE PAST ACTIONS AND, BUT I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR STAYING THIS FAR. 
          AND FROM THAT, WE'LL START WITH, UH, MR. VAUGHN HAD THE INVOCATION TONIGHT. 
          UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UH, I KNOW THIS STAFF PROBABLY WANTS SOME FEEDBACK ON THE GOLF ASSESSMENT AND WHAT DO, WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT NOW? AND SO, UH, I, I MADE A POST ON THE MESSAGE BOARD AND USING HIS NUMBERS, I THINK WE HAVE A PATH FORWARD TO SUPPORT THE GOLF COURSE WITHOUT MORE TAX SUBSIDIES. 
          UH, I, THEY PROBABLY CAN'T AFFORD EVERYTHING THAT HE PRESENTED, BUT NONE OF OUR DEPARTMENTS GET EVERYTHING THAT THEY WANT. 
          I THINK IT SHOULD BE THEM TRYING TO LIVE WITHIN THEIR MEANS AS MUCH AS THEY CAN. 
          AND I THINK HE'S GIVEN US THE FRAMEWORK TO, TO DO THAT. 
          I, I, I STILL DON'T THINK IT SHOULD HAVE A DEDICATED TAX REVENUE. 
          UH, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE VOTES ON COUNCIL TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT NOW. 
          UH, I, BECAUSE I CAN SEE THE PATH WITH THEM BEING ABLE TO LIVE WITHIN THEIR MEANS. 
          I, I CAN'T SUPPORT ANOTHER BUDGET. 
          IF YOU BRING ONE TO US THAT HAS MORE TAX DOLLARS INTO IT FOR THIS, THIS NEXT YEAR, I UNDERSTAND IF YOU WANT TO HAVE SOME OF THE COSTS IN THERE, I THINK YOU HAVE SOME MONEY AS I LAID OUT IN THE POST TO PAY FOR SOME OF THAT. 
          BUT JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, I'LL BE A NO VOTE IF THERE'S MORE TAX, MORE VENUE TAX GOING TO THE GOLF COURSE THIS NEXT YEAR. 
          AS FAR AS ACTION ITEMS FROM THAT REPORT, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS I THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING. 
          UM, ONE IS I THINK WE SHOULD BE STOPPING ANY FREE CITY OR NONPROFIT EVENTS, MAKING SURE THEY PAY THE FULL FARE. 
          UM, IF WE'RE GONNA TREAT 'EM LIKE A BUSINESS, IT'S NOT FAIR TO MAKE THEM HOST FREE EVENTS AND THEN US JUDGE THEM FOR NOT MAKING THE REVENUE THAT WE'D LIKE THEM TO MAKE. 
          I THINK, UH, AS COUNCIL MEMBER GOBY MENTIONED, HE HAS A GOOD RECOMMENDATION IN THE REPORT ABOUT IN INCREASING THE FOOD SALES AT THE TURN FOR THE GOLFERS, MAKING THAT QUICK AND EASY. 
          HOWEVER, WE CAN POSSIBLY DO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A LOST OPPORTUNITY THERE. 
          I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE SETTING CLEAR KITCHEN HOURS OF OPERATION SO THAT, AND ADVERTISING THAT TO THE PUBLIC SO THEY KNOW WHEN THEY CAN COME GET FOOD. 
          RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S VERY CLEAR OUTSIDE OF THE HAPPY HOURS OF WHEN, WHEN CAN I COME AND GET A BURGER AT THE HILLSIDE, EVEN IF I'M NOT PLAYING GOLF THERE. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S AVAILABLE TO THAT, THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO COME AND USE THE FACILITY AND BE MORE INVESTED IN THE FACILITY. 
          UM, THERE'S A APPENDIX B THAT WAS IN THE REPORT THAT WAS A SUGGESTED REPORT FROM THE GOLF COURSE TO COUNCIL. 
          I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE DO THAT AT LEAST QUARTERLY SO THEY CAN REPORT BACK TO US ON THEIR ROUNDS OF GOLF AND SOME OF THE OTHER METRICS THAT HE WOULD LIKE US TO TRY TO HIT SO WE KNOW WHETHER WE'RE ON TRACK TOWARDS HIS RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          AND, UH, I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE THE REST OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO STATE THEIR CASE ON THE GOLF COURSE SO THAT EVERYBODY KIND OF KNOWS WHERE WE STAND AND WHAT THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE NOW, UH, BELIEVE ABOUT IT. 
          SO, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          GOOD COMMENTS, MR. WELL, YOU MADE ME FOLLOW THAT. 
          ALL THE GOLF STUFF. 
          UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY TEE OFF. 
          I KNOW, I KNOW. 
          UM, NO, I, I I DID. 
          I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT, UM, PRESENTATION FROM HIM. 
          I, I, UH, EVALUATION AND HIS RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE ONE-ON-ONE WITH Y'ALL REGARDING THE HOW DO WE GET KIND OF THEIRS? HOW DO WE GET, HOW DO WE MAKE THAT HAPPEN? YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE, WHAT ARE OUR, OUR, WHAT ARE THE PATHS FORWARD TO, TO DO IT WITHOUT IT BEING A A ONE GIANT BITE? HOW, HOW CAN WE HANDLE THIS IN LITTLE BITES? UH, I DO, I I DO SEE THAT, UM, THE NEED FOR THESE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT I ALSO DO REALLY APPRECIATE THE IDEA OF LET'S TRY TO KEEP IT JUST SMALLER AND A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTAINED. 
          UM, UNLESS YOU, UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS A BETTER ARGUMENT TO DOING IT ALL IN ONE BIG BITE, THEN, THEN I'LL BE, UH, I CAN LISTEN. 
          UM, BUT I, I, WHAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE DO LOOK AT IT AS AN AMENITY, RIGHT? THAT, THAT, THAT IT IS A, IT IS AN AMENITY TO THE CITY. 
          IT'S DIFFERENT FROM OUR SPLASH PAD, IT'S DIFFERENT FROM OUR LIBRARY. 
          IT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE, THE DISC GOLF COURSE. 
          IT'S, IT'S DIFFERENT FROM RED HORSE PARK AND IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF AMENITY. 
          I DON'T USE NEAR THE PARK'S NEAR LIKE I USED TO. 
          I STILL SUPPORT THE PARKS. 
          I DON'T USE THE GOLF COURSE. 
          I STILL APPRECIATE THE GOLF COURSE. 
          I DON'T USE THE LIBRARY. 
          I'M SORRY, I DON'T  MY KIDS DID. 
          I APPRECIATE THE LIBRARY. 
          [01:45:01]
SO IT'S AN AMENITY. 
          IT'S A CITY AMENITY. 
          IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE OUR GOOSE LAYING GOLDEN EGGS. 
          AND, UM, I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          UM, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT, MR. MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MS. ASHTON. 
          UM, YEAH, WHEN IT COMES TO GOLF COURSE, I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA SAY THE SAME SPIEL I'D SAY ABOUT EVERYTHING. 
          LIKE IT'S BEEN 25 YEARS SINCE EVERYONE VOTED ON IT. 
          I'M ALWAYS JUST A BIG PROPONENT OF KNOWING WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS AND WHAT THE PUBLIC FEELS AND WHAT THE PUBLIC THINKS. 
          SO FOR ME, I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT IT'S THE COUNCIL, BUT I ALSO BELIEVE IN A VERY DIFFERENT TYPE OF GOVERNMENT. 
          LIKE, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT I'M UP HERE TO SPEAK FOR EVERYONE. 
          I BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IN MY OPINION, MATTERS. 
          I THINK THAT THE RESIDENT'S OPINIONS MATTER. 
          SO FOR ME, I'M LIKE, I THINK THAT THE GOLF COURSE SHOULD BE SELF-SUFFICIENT, BUT I THINK THAT THE VOTERS SHOULD GET THAT VOTE. 
          I THINK THEY SHOULD GET TO DECIDE, DO YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, TO CONTINUE TO DO THIS OR DO YOU NOT? AND I THINK, LIKE I SAID, IT'S JUST BEEN 25 YEARS. 
          I'M A HUGE PROPONENT OF LETTING THE RESIDENTS GIVE THEIR FEEDBACK, NOT JUST GIVING YOU MY PERSONAL OPINION. 
          'CAUSE MY PERSONAL OPINION DOESN'T MATTER IN MY EYES. 
          SO THAT'S, SO IT'S NOT REALLY GREAT FEEDBACK. 
          MY FEEDBACK IS I WISH ALL THE RESIDENTS COULD GIVE THEIR FEEDBACK AND TELL US WHAT THEY WANNA DO, AND IF THEY WANNA CONTINUE SUPPORTING THE GOFF COURSE WITH THE VENUE TAX OR NOT. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT AN OPTION ON THE TABLE. 
          SO THAT'S JUST WHERE I LAND. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL SWING BACK THIS WAY. 
          MR. AL. 
          UH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          UM, UM, BASICALLY I, I'LL PRETTY MUCH JUST ALIGN MYSELF WITH, UH, ASHTON'S COMMENTS THERE. 
          I, I THINK THEY'RE VERY REASONABLE. 
          UH, LARGE CAPITAL PROJECTS HAVE TO GO TO THE PEOPLE FOR THEIR, FOR APPROVAL AND, AND THEY, THAT GIVES THAT, THAT GIVES THEM A FRANCHISE. 
          AND IN THE WHOLE PROCESS, UH, HOWEVER, I'M, I'M GONNA CHANGE THE, THE TOPIC HERE. 
          UH, UH, FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, ARE VOLUNTEERS OR THE HEART OF THE CITY. 
          I MOVED TO FORMALIZE THE CERTIFICATION AND RECOGNITION OF OUR CITY VOLUNTEER PROGRAMS, UH, AT A SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING EACH DECEMBER. 
          UH, THAT WILL, UH, CONSIST OF A PROGRAM SIMILAR, IF NOT THE PRESIDENTIAL VOLUNTEER SERVICE AWARD PROGRAM. 
          UH, PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH SAID, OUR NATION FACES A WIDE VARIETY OF CHALLENGES. 
          THE SOLUTION TO EACH PROBLEM THAT CONFRONTS US BEGINS WITH AN INDIVIDUAL WHO STEPS FORWARD AND SAYS, I CAN HELP. 
          AND, UH, SO I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR POSSIBLE CONSIDERATION SO THAT IT BECOMES A CERTIFIED PROGRAM WHERE HOURS ARE TRACKED. 
          AND WE RECOGNIZE IN THIS COUNCIL, OUR, OUR, OUR KIND VOLUNTEERS IN THAT REGARD, UM, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT ALL PRESENT, UH, HERE TODAY, UM, ARE NOW, UH, ESSENTIALLY MR. WHITING BOIS TALLY FAMILY AND THE PARKER FAMILY. 
          UM, YOU SHOUT IT OUT TO US, WE IN COUNCIL, UH, SHOUT OUT TO YOU BECAUSE IT WAS YOUR EFFORTS THAT ESSENTIALLY HELD IN CHECK, UH, UH, JUSTIN FERNE, JUSTIN IN SCHOOL DISTRICT. 
          I STILL WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUR CITY, UH, HAVE A UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT RATHER THAN PULLING OUR, OUR, UH, STUDENTS, UH, TO FILL EMPTY SCHOOLS THAT ARE, UH, THAT ARE, UH, BUILT OUTSIDE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SO, UM, ESSENTIALLY A GREAT SHOUT OUT TO THEM. 
          I HOPE, I HOPE THEY HEAR, UH, HEAR THIS, UH, UH, THANKS TO THEM. 
          UM, AND FINALLY, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF OF, UH, UH, THE, UH, CITY MANAGER WILL LOOK INTO THE, UH, TRASH ISSUES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH MEADOWBROOK AND, UH, UH, DUKE WAY AND, AND GIVE US AN OFFICIAL STATUS OF WHAT CAN BE DONE THERE. 
          UH, IT'S SOMEWHAT OF AN EMBARRASSMENT, UM, UH, FOR THE, ALL THE INDIVIDUAL TRASH CAN CONTAINERS TO BE OUT THERE FOR THAT COMPLEX, FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME AND SO FORTH. 
          I DON'T THINK THE COMPLEX WAS PLANNED REALLY WELL, BUT I KNOW IT'S, IT'S AN ISSUE, UH, UH, FOR, UH, NOT ONLY THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ALSO THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          I THINK GIVES THEM A LITTLE MORE, A LITTLE MORE DIGNITY IF WE, WE, IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT. 
          UH, AND I ASKED, I JUST ASKED CITY MANAGER A LOOK, HAS A COMMENT. 
          I'M SORRY, SIR. 
          POINT OF CLARIFICATION. 
          WHAT IS THE TRASH ISSUE? WELL, YOU AND I TOOK A TOUR THERE AND WE SAW, 
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UH, UH, A WHILE AGO AND WE SAW ESSENTIALLY LINES OF TRASH CANS YES. 
          THAT WERE OVER, THAT WERE OVERFILLING AND ESSENTIALLY IT, IT LOOKED LIKE A GHETTO, UH, UH, TYPE THING. 
          AND BASICALLY IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN CONSOLIDATE THAT TRASH FOR PICKUP IN SOME WAY. 
          AND I KNOW YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT YOU WERE, UH, KIND OF WORKING WITH THE APARTMENT PEOPLE AND WASTE MANAGEMENT ON THAT. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED, UH, KIND OF TO MOVE THAT FORWARD AND KIND OF GET IT CLEANED UP IF POSSIBLE. 
          SO YEAH, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE MET WITH THEM AND THE ONES ON MEADOWLAND, SO THE, THE FOURPLEXES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE TREATED AS SINGLE FAMILY UNITS. 
          AND SO YES, THEY EACH GET A TRASH CAN AND A RECYCLE. 
          SO THAT'S EIGHT FOR EACH FOURPLEX. 
          IT IS A LOT, BUT IT'S UP TO THE, UH, INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER TO DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO CO-MINGLE A TRASH CAN. 
          AND THEY USUALLY DON'T, WHICH IS WHY THEY HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL. 
          THE OTHER RECOMMENDATION THAT WE MADE WAS ON, UH, MATH AND LANDING WHERE THERE IS A PLETHORA OF TRASH CANS ON THOSE DUPLEXES BECAUSE THEY'RE SO CLOSE TOGETHER. 
          UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF REMOVING THEIR RECYCLE BINS, WHICH WOULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TRASH CANS THEY HAVE BY 50%, THAT'S AN OPTION TOO. 
          BUT THE HOA AND THE MANAGEMENT FIRMS HAVE TO AGREE TO THAT AND THEY'RE NOT AGREEING TO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, UM, I'M, I'M HOPING THAT DESPITE THE FACT THAT ROADBLOCKS, THEY'RE STILL WORKING TOWARDS SOME SOLUTION FOR THOSE AREAS. 
          YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE SECOND AREA, BUT I I CERTAINLY KNOW DUKE WAY NEEDS A LITTLE BIT. 
          YOU'RE AWARE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND YES, IT'S A LOT OF TRASH CANS ON TRASH DAY AND THEY DON'T HAVE, UH, A GARAGE. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE A STORAGE, THEY DON'T HAVE A BACKYARD. 
          ALL THE TRASH CANS ARE OUT FRONT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I KNOW PLANNING AND ZONING ARE, ARE CONFOUNDED BY THE FACT THAT THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT EITHER, YOU KNOW, TYPE THING. 
          BUT THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME SOLUTION THAT I HOPE IN YOUR WISDOM YOU CAN FIGURE OUT. 
          WE CAN ASK. 
          ALL WE CAN DO IS ASK AGAIN. 
          BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO THE TRASH SERVICE THAT THEY WANT FOR THEIR RESIDENCE AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE CHOSE. 
          I AGREE. 
          IT'S UNSIGHTLY CAN'T, CAN'T TICKET IT. 
          UGLY AS WE SAY. 
          WAS THAT MAYOR ? YES. 
          UM, QUESTION. 
          I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE REACH OUT TO ME AND ASK WHY WE HAVEN'T HAD AN ATTORNEY AT EACH OF THE MEETINGS. 
          KIM, JUST ONE MOMENT. 
          SORRY. 
          UH, WHY WE HAVE NO CITY ATTORNEY PRESENT? YEAH. 
          SO AS I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE, UM, MEGAN SANTI, OUR FORMER ATTORNEY, PASSED AWAY. 
          WELL HER HUSBAND WAS ALSO A PARTNER OF THAT FIRM. 
          SO WHEN SHE PASSED AWAY, HE'S BEEN OUT FOR A LONG TIME. 
          SO THEY'RE DOWN TWO ATTORNEYS. 
          THE OTHER HALF OF THE STORY IS ONE OF THE OTHER ATTORNEYS, UH, WITH THE FIRM LOST TWO FAMILY MEMBERS OF THAT SAME WEEK. 
          SO THEY ARE DOWN THREE ATTORNEYS. 
          IF WE HAVE NOTHING CONTROVERSIAL ON THE AGENDA, THEY'RE ASKING NOT TO COME TO OUR MEETING. 
          AND THANKFULLY, UH, WE HAVE HAD NOTHING CONTROVERSIAL. 
          SO THEY ARE DEALING WITH CITIES THAT HAVE CONTROVERSIES ONLY AT THIS POINT THAT, THAT , THAT , THAT UH, NEED THEIR ASSISTANCE. 
          AND UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A VERY MATURE COUNSEL AND A VERY MATURE STAFF SO THEY FEEL, UH, COMFORTABLE IN LEAVING US BE. 
          AND I WILL SAY THAT THEY DO CHECK WITH US ON EVERY AGENDA AND SAY, DO YOU NEED LEG LEGAL REPRESENTATION? IF WE NEEDED THEM, THEY WOULD BE HERE. 
          BUT FOR NOW, WE'RE TRYING TO LET THEM GO THROUGH THEIR PAIN AND THEIR SUFFERING AND LOSS AND THEN THE REBUILDING OF THEIR FIRM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR CALLING THIS MR. . 
          YEAH. 
          IT APPLIES TO MOST OF US, SOME OF US SOMETIMES. 
          UM, YES, I WANTED TO ALSO ANNOUNCE THAT, UH, HEROES CAMP IS GOING TO BE, WE'RE GONNA BE STARTING TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS. 
          IT WILL BE REBRANDED THIS YEAR INTO FIRST RESPONDER CADET ACADEMY BECAUSE WE GOT FEEDBACK THAT THE KIDS ALL DIDN'T WANNA COME BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS TOO JUVENILE. 
          UM, BUT AT THE END OF THE WEEK THEY WERE LIKE, THIS WAS SO COOL. 
          SO LOOK FOR MORE WORK INFORMATION TO COME ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, I WAS REALLY EXCITED TO HEAR ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE. 
          UM, I ALSO SEE A PATH FORWARD WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO REQUIRE LESS AND LESS OF THE VENUE TAX, WHICH WILL FREE THAT MONEY TO BE SPENT IN OTHER PLACES, WHICH IS EXCITING THAT THERE TO THAT POINT. 
          UM, I DO THINK THAT WE DO NEED TO EVALUATE THE PROJECTS THAT THEY CALLED OUT AND WHAT THAT CAN DO FOR US. 
          AND IT'S NICE THAT WE HAVE THE VENUE TAX AS A VEHICLE TO HELP PAY FOR THOSE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT FOR A BOND OR OTHER THINGS. 
          UM, AND I, AS ONE OF THE NONPROFITS THAT BENEFITS FROM HAVING A COUPLE OF EVENTS OUT THERE COST FREE. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE SHOULD NOT COST FREE, BUT AT NO COST FOR THE ROOM, WE DO PAY FOR 
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THE FOOD AND THE VENUE AND THE STAFF TIME. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER IN SOME CASES LIKE THAT WE'RE RAISING MONEY DIRECTLY TO PUT BACK INTO CITY BUDGETS. 
          LIKE, YOU KNOW, OUR MONEY WHEN WE JUST HAD THE DESIGNER PER BINGO, THAT MONEY IN TURN WENT RIGHT BACK IN, WILL GO BACK TO OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT. 
          AND SO, AND I LOVE TO HEAR THAT. 
          I KNOW THAT POLICE USE THAT FREQUENTLY AND THEY ARE GETTING FREE TRAININGS FOR IT. 
          SO IT'S DEFINITELY BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY. 
          AND I THINK BEFORE WE JUST MAKE A DECISION TO TALK ABOUT NOT ALLOWING THAT ANYMORE, WE REALLY NEED TO PROBABLY GET AN ANALYSIS DONE OF WHAT SORT OF CITY EVENTS ARE BEING HELD THERE AND THE PURPOSE BEFORE WE THINK THAT IT'S, I THINK THERE'S VALUE THAT'S ADDED TO OUR COMMUNITY BY THEM OFFERING THAT AS AN AMENITY TO ALL OF US. 
          SO I JUST KIND OF URGE CAUTION. 
          AND OVERALL, I, I TRIED TO MAKE THE POINT DURING THE, MY COMMENTS THAT I REALLY DO SEE THE GOLF COURSE AS AN ASSET. 
          IT BRINGS MONEY INTO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND I THINK WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT A LOT OF THAT MONEY IS EXTERNAL. 
          IT'S NOT OUR CITIZENS LIKE ARE GOING IN BEHIND THE RO ROUNDS OF GOLF. 
          BUT THAT AMENITY IS HERE. 
          IT'S DRAWING PEOPLE HERE. 
          HOPEFULLY THEY ARE. 
          WE CAN, I MEAN, POTENTIALLY LOOK AT MAKING AN ECONOMIC STUDY WHERE WE LOOK TO SEE DO THEY SPEND OTHER MONEY? UM, IS IT INTRODUCING OTHER BUSINESSES. 
          WHEN WE DID THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WORKSHOP, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THEY WERE FINDING OUT THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN UNIVERSAL CITY DON'T GO OUTSIDE OF UNIVERSAL CITY VERY OFTEN. 
          AND I KIND OF LOOKED AT THE OPPOSITE OF THAT IS WHAT BRINGS PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF UNIVERSAL CITY INTO UNIVERSAL CITY. 
          AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF UNIQUE BUSINESSES THAT DO THAT. 
          AND THE GOLF COURSE IS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE PRIMARY ONES THAT'S OWNED BY THE CITY THAT BRINGS PEOPLE IN AND ENCOURAGES THEM TO SPEND MONEY. 
          AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO REALLY BE CONSIDERED AS AN ASSET TO EVERYONE, WHETHER OR NOT WE USE IT OR NOT. 
          UM, SO THAT'S JUST MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MS. I'M GONNA PIGGYBACK JUST A LITTLE BIT ON US NONPROFITS GETTING THE ROOM. 
          WE HAD OUR FIRST BINGO, I'M GETTING READY TO WRITE RANDY A CHECK FOR $22,000 FROM A FOUR HOUR EVENT. 
          SO THAT'S $22,000 THAT'S GOING INTO OUR PARKS. 
          IT HAS ALSO EXPOSED 200 PEOPLE TO THE FACILITY. 
          SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN THERE BEFORE. 
          A LOT OF 'EM HAVEN'T. 
          THEY COME IN, THEY EAT THE FOOD, THEY DRINK BOOZE, THEY GIVE ME MONEY AND IT GOES RIGHT BACK IN HERE. 
          U-C-P-A-A. 
          WHEN WE HAVE CASINO NIGHT, PEOPLE ARE COMING IN. 
          IT'S VERY BENEFICIAL FOR US TO DO IT. 
          WE COULD GO OUT AND PAY RENT AT THE KITTY HOCKEY DUNK CENTER AND WE COULD HAVE MORE PEOPLE, BUT WE'RE NOT EXPOSING OUR CLUBHOUSE TO THEM. 
          SO IT REALLY, OVER THE YEARS HAS PAID OFF. 
          IT HAS MADE CLEAR US 40 TO $50,000 A YEAR FOR OUR PARKS. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S A LOT TO BE SAID RIGHT THERE. 
          UH, I WANT TO GO. 
          THE GOLF COURSE WAS FABULOUS. 
          I LOVE THAT HE PUT IT WHERE WE CAN ALL UNDERSTAND IT. 
          UM, I CAN SEE WHERE YOUR POINT TO THAT THE CITIZENS DO NEED TO HAVE A SAY IN IT, BUT WHEN WE'RE ELECTED, WE ARE HERE TO REPRESENT THE RESIDENTS, BUT WE'RE ALSO HERE TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY CAN PROVIDE THE RESIDENTS WITH THE CARE AND THE NEEDS THAT THEY GET. 
          SO THEY HAVE ELECTED US HERE TO MAKE SOME OF THESE HARD DECISIONS FOR 'EM. 
          AND THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHERE I STAND, HOW I FEEL. 
          UM, MY JOB HERE IS ON COUNCIL. 
          UH, I WANNA BRING UP REAL QUICKLY WHAT'S GOING ON UP IN AUSTIN. 
          UH, PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THAT THEY DON'T WANT BIG GOVERNMENT, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S GETTING READY TO HAPPEN. 
          SO I NEED PEOPLE TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE HOUSE BILL 8 78. 
          THIS GIVES THE STATE COMPLETE CONTROL OVER LAND USAGE. 
          SO WE HAVE NO SAY IN PLANNING AND ZONING. 
          THE STATE CAN GO IN AND MAKE ALL OF OUR PLANNING AND ZONING DECISIONS WITHOUT OUR SAY. 
          AND THAT'S REALLY GONNA BE DETRIMENTAL TO US. 
          THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND SMALL CITIES, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND A CITY LIKE UNIVERSAL CITY WHERE WE HAVE AN AREA THAT HAS TO BE UPDATED, IT HAS TO BE REBUILT OR ELSE WE'RE JUST SLOWLY GONNA DISINTEGRATE INTO A SMALL LITTLE GHOST TOWN. 
          SO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT. 
          UH, SENATE BILL FOUR, EVERYONE'S GOT ATTENTION ON THIS. 
          'CAUSE THIS IS WHERE THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE RAISING THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION TO LOWER OUR PROPERTY TAXES BY ABOUT $500 A YEAR. 
          SO THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY'LL GIVE YOU FOUR, UH, 140,000, BUT IT ONLY LESSENS YOUR BILL $500 A YEAR. 
          AND WHO WOULDN'T WANT THAT? I MEAN, I'D LOVE THAT, BUT YOU HAVE TO PAY 
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ATTENTION THOSE, THAT'S THE MONEY THAT PAYS FOR OUR FIRE, OUR POLICE, AND OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          SO THAT'S GONNA GO AWAY. 
          NOW I'VE HEARD FROM ONE OF OUR SENATORS AND I SAID, HOW ARE THE CITIES GONNA PAY THE BILL? AND IT WAS LIKE, WELL, THEY'RE GONNA STRUGGLE FOR A FEW YEARS, BUT DON'T WORRY WE'RE GONNA FUND IT. 
          WELL, THEY SAID THAT TO US ABOUT OUR DISABLED VETERANS. 
          THEY GET A HUNDRED PERCENT FREE PROPERTY TAX. 
          WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING THAT PROPERTY TAX REIMBURSED TO US. 
          WE'VE NEVER GOTTEN MORE THAN 4.5% WHY? IT'S NEVER BEEN FULLY FUNDED. 
          SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN DOWN THE ROAD OF HOW OUR CITY IS GONNA SURVIVE WITHOUT PROPERTY TAXES. 
          WE WON'T BE ABLE TO PAY OUR BILLS, WE WON'T HAVE THE GREAT PROGRAMS OUR POLICE AND OUR FIRE THAT WE'RE KNOWN FOR. 
          SO I THINK EVERYONE NEEDS TO LOOK A LITTLE DEEPER INTO IT. 
          YEAH, $500 SAVINGS IS A LOT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO WATCH OUT FOR OUR CITY. 
          WE MOVED HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL THESE GREAT SERVICES FOR US. 
          AND THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. 
          MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, LET'S CLOSE THAT OUT. 
          LET'S GO TO THE CONSENT 
          [8. CONSENT AGENDA]
AGENDA, WHICH IS JUST THE CONSIST OF THE MINUTES OF THE MARCH 4TH MEETING. 
          MOVE TO APPROVE AS AMENDED I. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER VAUGHN AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BOWMAN. 
          AYE. 
          MAYOR, PROTECT IT. 
          PATRICK AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER GOLDSBY AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER PUTT AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER RUBAL AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIED. 
          MOVING NOW. 
          [9. ACTION ITEMS]
RESOLUTION 8 78 D 2 25 RESOLUTION SUSPENDING . 
          PROPOSED EFFECTIVE DATE FOR 45 DAYS. 
          MOVE TO APPROVE. 
          SECOND DISCUSSION. 
          CALL FOR THE VOTE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER GOLDMAN AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER EY AYE. 
          MAYOR, PRESIDENT FITZPATRICK. 
          AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER PUTT AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER RUBAL AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER WON. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIED APPROVED. 
          ORDINANCE 6 5 5 U2 0 2 5 SUP AT 2101. 
          PAT BOOKER. 
          FIRST READING? UH, SIR, I'M SORRY. 
          I BELIEVE THAT YOU ALREADY DID. 
          OH NO, WE ALREADY, WE ALREADY APPROVED IT. 
          DIDN'T WE DID, UH, WE ALREADY DID B AND C. 
          SO WE ARE DOWN TO, UH, D AND E, WHICH IS HILLVIEW PAY APPLICATION NUMBER FOUR. 
          AND HE'LL VIEW PAY APPLICATION NUMBER FIVE OR NUMBER SIX. 
          WE, WE DID NUMBER FIVE ON MARCH 4TH IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHY THEY'RE OUT OF ORDER. 
          OKAY, SO C AND D MOVE TO APPROVE. 
          D AND E . 
          C, D AND E? NO, NOT C. 
          JUST D AND E. 
           OR ID OKAY. 
          D, E OR D, WHATEVER SHE WANTS. 
          GO A SECOND. 
          GOT IT. 
          GOT IT. 
          DISCUSSION. 
          CALL FOR THE VOTE. 
          I UM, WE ARE GONNA DO THESE AS SEPARATE . 
          YES. 
          THE LAW IS NOT HERE. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          WE CAN DO WHATEVER WANT KNOW. 
          BUT THE CDBG PEOPLE WILL ASK US TO DO IT SEPARATELY AND WE WANNA GET OUR MONEY. 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          AND MOOSE AND DE MARIBEL. 
          DD SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER GOLDSBY. 
          YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BOWMAN AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER GOLDSBY AYE. 
          UH, MAYOR PROTECTED. 
          PATRICK AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER PUTT AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER RUBAL AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER ONE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION. 
          CARRIE, LET'S GO FOR E. 
          MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND  DISCUSSION VOTE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER GOLDSBY AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER GOLDMAN AYE. 
          PATRICK AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER PUTT AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER RUAL AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER VAUGHN AYE. 
          MOTION? CARRIE. 
          IS THAT UP? LADIES AND GENTLEMEN? IT IS, UH, EIGHT 40 AJOUR EARLIER THAN NIGHT. 
          I'M GOOD. 
          YOU DIDN'T TAKE A NAP.
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